00:00.00 Rich Adams If. 00:00.46 David Ah, welcome back to segment 3 of episode 93 of a life reurances podcast we're here with Dr Richard Adams dear friend of ours had a good mentor. Um, first rich, let me ask you do you remember the first time you met me because I don't necessarily remember when I met you. 00:18.84 Rich Adams Ah I believe it was when you 2 moved in together and that house over on the north side of laramy that shack. Yes, that the ice the ice box. Yeah. 00:19.00 David I know Connor had to have been there. 00:23.93 David Um, oh right? Yeah, you were that shack. Yeah. 00:32.36 connor Um, the concrete pad. 00:36.30 David Ah. 00:37.80 Rich Adams It has hosted a whole series of archaeologists I think there's still archaeologists living there I. 00:40.61 David Oh maybe? Um, okay yeah I do remember that because you were sitting on the couch with Connor and I walked in and was like who's that man and like on our couch. Ah okay, he was yeah allowed. 00:47.11 Rich Adams Yeah, strider your dog was a puppy. Yeah I remember a little tiny puppy. Well not little tiny but no puppyish. Yep. 01:00.90 David He loved you too I guess cause you had the food but um, okay, yeah, so then there were a few times you took a skiing you actually you and Andy taught me to cross country ski and then. 01:05.44 Rich Adams Always have no bones. 01:11.56 Rich Adams Yeah, yep. 01:17.45 David Another time you took Connor and I to see the wiki up that you built for your dissertation or while you were doing your dissertation and you said hey have you ever used a stone sling before and I had used one a very long time ago upwards of a decade and I didn't do well with it. So I said yeah. 01:21.60 Rich Adams Yes, yeah. 01:27.35 connor I. 01:35.33 David And I took it and I almost killed rich. Ah yeah I remember that vividly and every time I see you I like cringe because I'm like I almost killed the man. Ah I'm sponsored. 01:36.20 Rich Adams Ah. 01:38.81 archpodnet She says. 01:44.95 Rich Adams Ah, yeah, deep. 01:47.86 connor Well now David's got a lot better with the sling I've seen him throw it so you know he's killing killing more animals less humans. 01:54.30 David Yeah, yeah. 01:54.82 Rich Adams Ah, always good. Slings are amazing. The the first turbo charged weapon. The first weapon that really sings you know it's got some zing to it. F. 02:05.38 David Oh that's a good way to put it. You know like that thwap. Um, yeah, so I guess I got I Really got to know you at ah laprell because you were like kitchen like doing that stuff kind of just like the caretaker. 02:18.28 Rich Adams If. 02:19.61 archpodnet I I've heard so much about your breakfast burritos man I've never had 1 but Jesus people will not stop about the rich breakfast burritos. So. 02:23.37 Rich Adams Oh yeah. 02:24.30 David Oh dude. 02:28.91 connor It's it's not that though, it's his whole cuisine. It's like a it's a whole. It's a culinary experience in the field. yeah yeah I a soul a in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. 02:31.77 David We had fu in the field like it's like pretty cool I think handmade ice cream. Yeah, um, yeah, you do a good job with that. Also the first time I was at laprell. 02:33.91 Rich Adams Yeah, yeah, went fly in the field. Don't you always you know it? Yeah yeah, yeah, it's. 02:44.97 connor Yeah. 02:51.20 David Um I wasn't on the Kp list at all and I was there for like a week and I was like hey rich I'm not on the list and you're like ah I see your name and then you're just like let me not do any Kp which was nice. Um, ah oh yeah, um. 03:01.64 Rich Adams It Well I wonder why that was. 03:09.63 David What was I gonna say next right? So another time after we got to know each other you had me come give a lecture for you at Colorado state and where were we going with this connor. There was a reason. 03:22.40 connor So so I've I've heard from a bunch of students and you know I've been inspired a lot of folks have really glommed on to you and and really appreciated your teaching style. And could you we really want to talk about how you make archeology digestible approachable for ah you know an intro student who is sitting in the back of the class staring at women and it was a military building that was like 6000 years old and you know there's like ° 03:41.22 David Right? or. 03:56.15 Rich Adams Go home. 03:57.85 connor Ah, might have been sleeping. You know how like how did you capture How did you enthrall me to you know, be interested in archeology. 04:04.26 Rich Adams Same way David did when he did his master's defense and when he came down to Csu you have to talk to people like people you can't you cannot talk down to them and you have to make it exciting. Being a college dropout um kind of repeat college dropout I I had strong ideas about how pedagogy should work used a big word. Okay, how pedagogy should work and you know I wanted I taught. As if I wanted to learn the material and that was that I just wanted to make it fun. Most of the people in the classes I taught were non-majors and that's still the case in the intro classes and. There are some things you want to impart to them the big lessons and you want to make it as fun as as possible and you want to make it memorable because as as David knows he's a master of it if you are laughing you are learning because you saw something in a new light if you're if. Suddenly you see something and it makes you laugh. You just learned a new thing and you know what could be funnier than human foibles and we've always been. We've always been creating folly all throughout Prehistory. You know imagine Gobeckli Tepi you know the eleven thousand five hundred year old Megalis in turkey but what the heck were they thinking they weren't growing any crops and yet they're erecting twenty Ton Boulders it had to have been like lallapalooza. You know it had to have been some strange gathering where people like wow, we're just making it up but let's stick up a bunch of rocks. We don't have any way to feed these people but and all that you got to put people back in the past and make it interesting to do that. 06:12.40 David Yeah. 06:15.52 Rich Adams And David's master's defense on the size of projectile points versus the delivery device was pee in your pants funny and cutting edge research and he I think you did it twice at Csu. 06:33.36 David Ah, yes for the big class and then for like a smaller class. 06:35.32 Rich Adams And yeah, and you know I got requests after that bring David back we want to hear more stuff like him. He's actually funny it. 06:44.56 David Oh yeah. 06:48.46 connor Could you ah give us the title of your your talk David. 06:52.37 David Um, it has since changed but ah ah Bob requested it be changed but I don't want to projectile dysfunction. Um, yeah, it was apt. Ah. 07:04.76 Rich Adams Ah, yeah, yeah. 07:09.32 David But yeah I would agree rich and I did learn a lot of that from you. It's just like you connected with the students and like I know you just kind of looked at them as if I know it's interesting because it's how you approached Connor and I like you and Connor had this relationship that i. You know wasn't part of at first like you'd known Connor longer than me. But then like you immediately just like adopted me as one of your own like surrogate kids and like would take us sort of and yeah and like you just have a good way of doing that. 07:28.17 Rich Adams Now. 07:33.57 Rich Adams You better. 07:40.17 David And that felt appreciated and I think when you're teaching to your students like they probably get that same vibe. 07:44.84 Rich Adams I think so thank you I have I have a big extended family I no longer have any family but I have a huge extended family with students who have come into my life and my wife's life and and you guys are just all family and it's because you have a spark. You know you? There's a certain amount of glee or or humor in what you do You're not standing up there and dully reciting the facts and saying this will be on the test on Thursday but you you want to make it fun because learning is fun. 08:17.30 David Um, yeah. 08:23.55 Rich Adams What was it that got you into the field. Anyway, it was an introductory class and those introductory classes need to be taught by good teachers. It's not necessarily the best thing to have. Ah, Ph D Candidate get up there and deliver a ah class. Especially if they're terrified. But if if they have self-conence you know, ah Croton I'm sure you're rocking it. You know you've got a you've. 08:51.70 David From what I hear he does great. 08:51.50 archpodnet I every semester I get students that say this is my heat Carlton is my favorite teacher or best teacher I've ever had I do there was I don't know rich. You probably don't know what? Ah why o snaps is but there was like the snapchat group at Wyoming it was called whyo snaps and I love Ken Humphries to death. He's great. 09:05.40 Rich Adams Yeah, yeah. 09:11.18 archpodnet I was his ta a for introdareology and I did a lecture for him and I saw in whyo snaps. It's like that face when your ta a is a better teacher than your actual professor and it's me like pointing at the lecture and you just see Ken off to the corner just like watching I was like all right. 09:26.75 Rich Adams Yeah, you got to go in there. That's that's the way it should be if people say that you're you're connecting to them. You also you have to realize that these students are not the same as. 09:28.34 archpodnet I think I got something here. 09:44.93 Rich Adams My generation by a long shot. They want to be entertained and engaged much more than it's hard to describe what we wanted. We Wanted. We wanted data delivery and ideas about thinking and it's a. Everything is completely changed in the way teaching is done and media and all of that and part of the reason I retired is that it was. There was such a huge divide between my dad jokes and the students that I was talking to that. You know references to the simpsons. Just don't cut it anymore and I that was cutting edge when I started. 10:29.26 connor So would would you recommend for people teaching now to a have a golden doodle who is very personable and it can can go and meet anyone and um. 10:41.97 Rich Adams The yeah. 10:49.13 connor Chat and just be be friendly and be also a coloring book activity say to to start off the the class which you had really you had success with didn't you. 11:02.11 Rich Adams That's kind of a trick question. Um, yeah, you need both the the I'll talk about the doodle first the dog was the best idea ever. This is my wife's dog. She's a therapy certified therapy dog. She would walk into a class of 100 people meet everybody in the class pick out her favorites and hang out with them I brought her on test days back when I gave tests that's another good thing don't ever give tests. That's bullshit. Ah Lucy would come to class and I said you know after you finish your test. You can just snuggle with the dog and and. 1 student famously came in signed his name to the test handed it in with 12 blank questions and smuggled with the dog and I gave him a passing grade because he was clearly having a bad day. The coloring book is. Sort of my wife's idea and my former office mate Suzanne Kent at Colorado State University my wife is an art therapist and she suggested coloring exercises and I used it for a sophomore level class. And I'm not a particularly stressful teacher I think and you could I could smell the stress level in the class diminish when I did that and I told my wife that at dinner and she goes. Oh yeah, that you know that's common. You should do more of that so I started including more and more. Coloring exercises I went online looked for line art and anything I could to make weaponize and turn into a coloring exercise and everybody had to bring colored pencils and then Suzanne Kent my office made at Csu said you should meet my husband. He's a graphic artist and I went yeah sure. Okay, and you guys should do a coloring book because I confessed her that that was that was my goal and we met at an office party and he liked the idea and he mocked up a drawing. With the information that I gave him and it's like he could see into my mind. Brian is truly extraordinary. You know, okay, the book has sold 3 copies but still it is the most lavishly illustrated factually correct and only. World prehistory coloring book that there is and I think that it is a way to engage with students every semester I surveyed the students as to what worked and what didn't work where their minds were blown. 13:49.80 Rich Adams And I have 11 years of data saying the coloring exercises rocked my world. They really helped me get a handle on prehistory and they made the class enjoyable because if I was droning on and I tend to know, not everybody can teach well every day they could. Spend the time coloring inside the lines very meticulously and if I was on fire then they could just sign their name and scroll red all over it and hand it in and it's also for you future teachers and those of you who are teaching. It is one of the few non-metric. Ways of getting to know your students you learn something about them by the colors they choose where they choose to color. How thoroughly they color and whether or not they append anything to the. Drawing itself a student who is now at the University Of Novada Reno studying with Jeff Smith Erica Bradley turned a picture of mesa verdes into. Ah, hot tub scene. She took a macaw whaling ship and turned it into a so a starship I mean it was just unbelievable and she's in the Maphd program and teaching her first class right now so that the. I'm all for coloring and I have dated to back it up. 15:31.37 David It's sitting on my shelf right now. 15:32.90 Rich Adams Ah, so there are only 2 other two other copies unaccounted for. 15:37.43 connor I have one two I think I have 2 copies. 15:40.96 David Help help. 15:41.80 Rich Adams Well the publisher the publisher did not do us any great service. 15:49.24 archpodnet Yeah, when is it going to be back in stock. 15:49.41 connor Not. 15:53.18 Rich Adams Ah, yeah, no, it's probably never the yeah, it's a it's a total disappointment. They only print it's an as needed print job so they won't They won't print. 15:55.13 archpodnet Oh damn it. 16:04.68 David I Just like me. 16:12.56 Rich Adams Off copies until they get a request for 10 or 20 Yeah, if will you use them? Yeah I ah you didn't oh oh. 16:16.66 archpodnet Sweet. Do you have some pdfs I could have like ah. 16:17.88 David Well, that's a barber. 16:23.97 archpodnet Yeah, absolutely and I never got a copy now. Oh thank you Rich I appreciate that man. 16:32.32 Rich Adams Send me a mailing address. Well, you guys had me on this is the least I could do I still have 20 or 30 copies. 16:34.50 David So this is. 16:41.20 David I Think you signed mine and said good luck with how and why if I remember correctly on it. Um, yeah, so I guess you. 16:46.17 Rich Adams I Believe So yeah, it. 16:51.22 connor You said ah a mine you said good good luck in your job in accounting. 16:58.60 Rich Adams Um, damn sorry cutter who that you know you're pretty focused on that middle class existence of. 16:59.11 archpodnet I. 16:59.56 connor Um. 17:00.66 David Yeah, yeah. 17:08.48 archpodnet Um, if ah. 17:15.43 connor Ah, oh. 17:18.50 David Yeah. 17:18.56 Rich Adams But you you definitely drank the kool-aid you couldn't stop. Yeah. 17:20.77 connor Yeah, still here. 17:22.51 archpodnet Ah, we'll put Well we'll make sure to put the link for the publisher of the um of the coloring book in the show notes down below. So if anyone that is listening to this. What's a copy of the coloring book if you get a bunch of people to order some copies. They'll print some more So maybe we can get a couple more a couple dozen more printed out for you. Rich um. 17:38.83 Rich Adams Ah. 17:42.20 archpodnet I don't know how many copies of the fifth beginning. We've sold on behalf of Bob Kelly but he owes us some royalties at this point. Um, but on on that note ah rich. It's been a pleasure. It's it when we do that on that note rich. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on the podcast. 17:45.90 Rich Adams Um, right on who. 17:47.18 David Yeah. 18:01.44 archpodnet Um, this was really Fun. We're super excited to have gotten you on man. Um, so before we end the show. What are a couple sources. These could be books articles videos that you would recommend for anyone interested in in the topics that we talked about tonight So like my out archeology Paleoindian. What are some things you'd suggest to our audience. 18:20.95 Rich Adams Oh boy. Um George Frisen's survival by hunting if you have not read anything by frisen start with that. It is the most accessible book he has written that talks all about his experience as a hunter. And an archaeologist and it's it's just fantastic reading it I gave away dozens of copies to landowners throughout Wyoming anything by James Benedict they were all self-p published by the center for mountain archeology or something like that. There's there's still plenty available like that he is the father of mountain archeology. He had a ph d in geology I think from Wisconsin and was just one hell of a scientist just went hell of a scientist and he spent more time over the mountains than all of. All of the rest of us combined just fantastic. He's got half a dozen books or so out there unfortunately footprints in the snow is the is the article to read and then oh like on that ah oh Stephen Mien's book is a great book because it imagines John Lubbock who wrote the first basically archeology book back in the 1860 s he places. John Lubbock all throughout the world between Twenty Thousand years ago and about five thousand years ago and some of those chapters rock and others are not so good. But I used those in classes for a long time and students loved them because they're fictionalized. Accounts of prehistory and it was that that gave me the idea of teaching as if you were there first person first person witness to preistory so those those are 3 authors that I would recommend. 20:31.94 archpodnet So what was that last name and what was the book. 20:32.82 David Off to check that too. 20:35.98 Rich Adams Mythhan Mit T H E N what coach yeah have the glove fits where it um here. 20:39.92 David Carlton wrote Steven Mittens ah 20:42.35 connor Um. 20:51.47 Rich Adams I Don't remember the name of the book. Probably I'm sorry. 20:51.95 archpodnet Okay, no worries Stephen Smith it's I'll I'll I'll put it up there I'll find a couple. 20:54.50 connor Oh oh god. 20:58.75 Rich Adams It's it's not the best book but certain chapters just shine like mahalo this the site on the sea of galilee that's about 14000 years old oh my gosh. That's a great job. That's a great chapter. 21:07.94 David Is a dog there and. 21:10.91 connor Yeah, well thank you so much rich for joining us today. Um, and if you were given the chance again would you still choose to live a life in ruins. 21:24.44 Rich Adams Would I ever I wouldn't have screwed up the first 10 years of my college existence I would have gone straight to the University Of Wyoming and been there with doc on those early excavations that is my only regret in life and i. Enjoy spending my life in ruins. 21:44.68 archpodnet Excellent man. Well we just interviewed Dr Rich Adams thank you much? Damn thank you so much for coming on the show. 21:53.43 David Um, yeah, ah yeah, you appreciate it and I'd just like to add to I don't think I'd be where I'm at now without you um being there and I know Connor can probably say the same and Carlton as well. Your. 21:55.32 Rich Adams It's my pleasure. Thank you guys. You do wonderful work. 21:57.31 archpodnet Oh appreciate it man. 22:13.30 David Definitely a good mentor for everybody at Wyoming. So I hope you know that and yeah, yeah. 22:14.26 connor Dad. Thank you so much. 22:16.11 Rich Adams Thank you that means a hell of a lot. 22:17.98 archpodnet I Yeah did I didn't teach I didn't yeah I haven't I didn't take a class under you. But I've I've got a lot of secondhand wisdom from you from other grad students. So There was always no matter where I was at Hell Gap or um, there was always rich stories and rich advice that was given to me. Ah, Secondhand So Yeah man appreciate it. 22:37.81 David Yeah, um, so for the audience again, please be shared to rate and review the podcast I say it every time I don't think we've ever gotten a single review since then no, we did didn't we this past week good all right guys. 22:39.28 Rich Adams 1 22:53.43 David That's how Apple judges if we're doing good. It'll appease the Zuck it'll appease zi jinping just do whatever you can do to help us. 22:58.30 archpodnet Free to win need the pooh right? and with that we are out all right now. It's time for Connor's joke segment. 23:01.62 Rich Adams Ah, right. 23:03.87 connor Hashtag canceled. 23:03.99 David All right? Connor. 23:12.29 connor All right rich suggested this and it's a quote from Agatha Christie or her husband rich who is who is her husband who was an egyptgitologist right? Okay, okay. 23:24.34 Rich Adams Maxlow one is. 23:29.83 connor So the quote is an archaeologist is the best husband a woman can have the older she gets the more interested or more interested he is in her. Yep exactly? yeah. 23:37.66 archpodnet I Just think she becomes oh not I'm afraid that one That's a good one that is a good one. Do you know they're making a movie about death on the Nile Now Yeah, all right? and with that we are. We're out. 23:42.74 David I. 23:44.71 Rich Adams Yeah, oh wow there. There's there's also Glen Daniels you know the famous british archeologist who died too young his. 23:53.86 David What's that. 24:04.12 Rich Adams Is the trouble with archeology is when to stop laughing and I think that is so true because think that the lesson of osette this the site in Washington 98% of the material. 24:06.83 David Um, yeah. 24:23.54 Rich Adams Material remains. They've got there are perishable and would not be found in any other circumstance and we're squeezing blood from turnips by looking at edge angles on tertiary flakes and and trying to make something out of that. 24:35.85 connor Very true. 24:36.82 archpodnet All right.