00:00.00 sad boy Welcome to episode None of a life in ruins podcast this is segment 3 Ah this is the segment where we tell you that we will not be doing this podcast anymore because Carlton's got a big boy Job Connor's losing his mind and David's ah nomad so it's been great. It's been fun. 00:12.51 archpodnet Ah, oh yeah. 00:19.33 sad boy Maybe we'll make it to None we'll see jokes jokes jokes totally jokes. 00:19.42 archpodnet I think we will I knew yeah, we just we just signed. We just signed a new contract with the apn I think we're kind of locked in I think I think the goal is like let's get to None and then see where we're at is kind of the way that I'm looking at it. But um, yeah. 00:33.63 sad boy Yeah, so you have a couple things going on in the next couple weeks right 00:38.90 archpodnet yeah yeah I think 1 thing though is I might I love Bart so I I have no bartending training but like Bubba let me bar 10 one of the nights and I loved it and you know what I made for the students buckets of audio from otherfuckers like I made. 00:52.98 sad boy I Just do it. 00:55.98 archpodnet Buckets of them and so they saw me on them the night before like why? how did Carlton do that so quickly and I'm like amfs and they were just like what is this and I was like explaining it to them and they were like and I was like yeah because everyone at Wyoming knows me is ordering the crazy drink and everyone gives me grief for it the next night bartending. 01:02.23 sad boy Um. 01:15.38 archpodnet And everyone's ordering and we had buckets of them because the the weekend prior was Lynch's reunion. They had a high school there. It's like they're huge alumni week. So there's like a thousand people in lynch. So Bubbas goes hard and does like its extra different beers imports, beers and liquors and so they have buckets and homemade lemonade and so. 01:32.45 sad boy Oh. 01:34.19 archpodnet Amfs with lemonade and like that was the night I was head banging on a table to karma chameleon you know you know it was everyone. We all got tie-deye t-shirts. We were all wearing buas hats. We're all drinking amfs I'm sending videos to people like k crabe is like what is going on I'm just like. 01:42.67 sad boy It's. 01:52.75 archpodnet Amfs and they're like how why did you do this to your students like is everyone okay I'm like everyone's actually pacing themselves really? well it takes a while to finish a bucket of this. You know it's like let me just I was just it was. 01:59.81 sad boy Yeah, dude as soon as you send it the picture I knew what drink it was I knew just just like I saw like 3 or 4 liquors going in there and I was like there was no. 02:09.96 archpodnet I could I could I could pour 4 at a time I was double headed like here we go you know and it was crazy. Oh I'd love it I had so much fun. 02:15.50 sad boy This is this is not part of the show we were saying that Carlton is now becoming a bartender and is going to yeah, be ah. 02:25.72 archpodnet It was. It was a blast like and even the locals were having a great time. The students were like Rta is serving as alcohol and I'm like all right budweiser 2 25 Amf $12 in just like pouring and I was just doing shot. It was just I had such a fun time I'm so glad bu at me behind the bar. Um. 02:41.55 sad boy Built that come more agree like into the in the students too right? like that created like it just seemed like you guys jelled together like everyone was like just they're having a good time enjoying themselves bonding. 02:43.59 archpodnet It was not still. Yeah yeah, the students couldn't believe it. They're like where are what what planet is this where we do this stuff like why is our ta serving alcohol. And we're watching the Colorado Abs beat the hell out of Tampa bay right now and the bat you know' just like Nos you know, um, you know what I won the stay in the cup. Go Colorado it was just crazy like it was just this surreal experience and all these kids are coming out of covid and they get thrown into this field school where who's in one of the people in charge this guy right? They're like. 03:03.90 sad boy What? what. 03:19.59 sad boy This carlton. 03:21.48 archpodnet Professional, professional by day like night walker at night just like doing you know, barending with with with 0 training and bartending and I'm just like shots shots shots. So I might become a bartender but currently before I give up on all my hopes and dreams in bar 10 in Lynch Nebraska for the rest of my life where rent by the way is only four hundred dollars 03:24.78 sad boy Grow by night. 03:38.14 sad boy And that's why I'll be moving. 03:39.82 archpodnet Um, it's like I'll go live at lynch I'll yeah that sounds fine I'll be a I'll do whatever I'll be a bartender misshaha have love the bartender that works their Misty's the best. She's the best. Um, but yes, so we all know I got a tender track position at Indiana University as of now my yeah. 03:55.97 sad boy What whoa. 03:59.67 archpodnet Um, it doesn't look like I'm my ph d in hand which is fine. They're allowing me till December that ph d in hand I'm going to be well ahead of that deadline in December even with the backup because I need to get it done. And I have to so I'll be an affiliate professor of anthropology and curator of public archaeology at the museum and department of anthropology least least doesn't start till August twelf. Um, so you sent an email today I'm like wait a second when is actually my first day of work. Do I need to be there August first or like August fifteenth because that matters. 04:31.90 sad boy Um, a lot. 04:32.73 archpodnet If I need to find you know a lot you know, temporary housing and so I don't teach the first semester. Um I get there and I basically curate and get ready to teach in the spring I don't have a field school for the summary at ah Mac Corey who's been on this podcast. He has his own iive. Field school and I don't want to intrude on that because he's been put so much work into it. So next summer. My game plan is now to go back and work at lynch as ah as an affiliate pi and and do that with August and and Boulder. Um, but just kind of. 05:03.65 sad boy That's kind of wild that they don't They don't give you or I mean I guess it's a blessing and kind of weird that they don't give you a teaching load right up front. 05:12.60 archpodnet It is but as part of my I I was part of my contract. Maybe that's what I negotiated I'm like I don't want to teach the first semester I need ah and and and the and the and the University at both departments were like that's that's fair like they they know how Junior I'm coming in and like the radical change. So. Um, pretty I don't know how I end up in departments that actually care about my well-being. But even this job cares about more wellbeing and so they really want to mentor me into this and get me ready and so I have a steep learning curve and I still have a lot of growing ups do to go From. Bartending and and head banging to Karma Community I Can't do that Anymore. So This is my last Hurrah some of the students definitely were egg agreedd by like how perceivingly wild you know like fun I would get I guess but I can't do that. You know after this I have to become you know, especially yeah well. 06:03.81 sad boy We'll still bring it out of you. We'll still bring it out of you. There's a couple. There's a couple people I think who could bring it out of you still. 06:05.89 archpodnet Oh Jesus I still yeah I I know but and it's one of those things right? because I'm coming into this like I think of like you know Dr Haass Dr Robinson like postdocs that I knew like they were in their mid to late thirty s and I'm coming in like at the age of 30 to go teach. Graduate students and undergrads and most grad students are older than I am and it's just like I just reflect on the none time that like David and and Chris met me like I walk in wearing letters. They're like oh there's this we have a pawnee student I'm like yo what's up bro. That's me, you know it's like i'm. Yeah, you know it's just it's like I'm looking at my future and just like I need to I don't know what's going on and so ah, that's. 06:44.23 sad boy But I will I will say like just from my personal parents and I ah place and I've told you this before and I think people on the podcast won't even see this like your development. And you're maturing and everything that you've gone through in these past couple years has made you into a fantastic scholar human friend ah researcher ah bartender. You know everything? you've really you've really done um and we've we've witnessed it before our eyes and I know. 07:08.95 archpodnet Yeah. 07:17.94 sad boy There's so many people I've talked to about this and we are just you know we're insanely proud of you of all that you've done and the person you've become and it's been really. It's just been really impressive to watch someone grow like you have. 07:28.70 archpodnet Um, no and I deeply appreciate that like I owe a lot of it to like you and Connor keeping me like through this whole you know journey. We started this like right when I like my second semester ph d and like you guys have known me from my masters. Time and it's and it's like but you None have always kept me grounded and and you know like been that constant and it's it's been and like I've been and I get those Facebook notifications I like look back to like hell gap where I'm wearing letters and I'm harassing a rattlesnake and it's like I would never do that now. You know it's like you know I can see it and it's just like especially this past field school right? where it was now I'm a ph d candidate I'm all way out and the way I treat students I treated students this year was much different than when I treated before and even when I was at Wyoming it was just like you know I didn't the first two weeks at the field school I was. I I didn't like yell to yell it was more like I need your attention listen because like right now you're not allowed to think I think for you and then the last three weeks is more of like as colleagues like let's talk this through like what are you noticing like let's look look at your unit compared to the others like do you see? There's a height difference between your pedestals and their pedestals. But about the landforms and like really kind of taking that mentorship role of like let's think about this critically and and can contextualize your you're a unit your're little 1 by 1 as comparison to the other thirty one by None you have going around you know and really having those moments and like teaching you know these students in in I thought meaningful ways. 08:54.59 sad boy To go from like because you were you were drill sergeant before is what I think you you called yourself or like you know I think that was your ah approach is like you know we're here to get you into shape and to learn stuff you know, but I'm going to be a little rough but also. 08:55.25 archpodnet And um. Yeah. 09:08.60 archpodnet Yeah. 09:11.51 sad boy Taking the next step and mentoring and teaching is is a huge step I mean it's not everyone does that? Well no, no, not everyone does that? well. 09:18.55 archpodnet Ah, it. Yeah, it freaked out students at None because like it was usually it was like me just kind of being loud like hey we need to get this done. Where are you like? let's go. Let's go. Let's go and there's just one day after I was talking to students at the bar. There were just they were just made like why are you? so Like. It's weird because like at excavation you're an asshole and we're scared of you but when we're we're out of excavation like at the house you're so you're just different like what's going on I was and I try to explain it to him and then the next day we're at work I was like I was like okay I think we've hit that point and so then I was like alright guys. Let's let's get the site ready like let's go up and. 09:51.23 sad boy No. 09:54.25 archpodnet Like just but and like a bunch of dudes like guess everything? Okay, like what's wrong I'm like nothing's wrong like we're just trying to get worked on. They're like you're not yelling at anyone I'm like I don't need to yell like oh are you sure? everything's I'm like no no, you guys? are you guys are fine and it was and I don't know what got into me is like when you're closing that putting the site to one night 10:00.49 sad boy Yeah, you've. 10:08.82 sad boy I. 10:12.90 archpodnet Ah, just so all Alright guys. Let's go ahead. Get oh and they're like whoa what is happening like they were. They were just like wait a second and and like it just the the I just flip the switch I'm like we were do you guys know what you're doing now like we should be good to go and and then I think that changed and I saw I much. 10:21.60 sad boy Um. 10:31.99 archpodnet With the students they're like okay wait and you know or just the end like they were. They weren't scared to ask me questions anymore and so like I had a lot of students like approaching me and asking me stuff because like all right? What's going on. So um, oh my god. 10:41.82 sad boy I have a question so did the answers get better because I know you like you put them lot on it just like so hilariously bad like everyone failed I think there was like 1 question that I saw and all those questions on your stories. You're like okay, what what? what pottery types are here. 10:50.31 archpodnet Yes. 11:01.82 sad boy And everyone's like yeah like drink water. Okay. 11:04.45 archpodnet But if they got it right? They sell a drink water. Yeah so those have follows or people were like this is my favorite thing ever. Don't stop this? Um, but I think after a while like Dr Bamforth Dr. Carlson but Carlton you need to work you know because I just go around harassing students and putting on Instagram but so we didn't give them. I'm not sure why like usually we give students articles to read beforehand this year we didn't like we kind of waited till halfway through and so and then also halfway through that's when our lectures were so like when we were doing those questions they shouldn't have known the answers unless they were like listen they were they should have been if they had been listening to us. They would have known it. 11:35.53 sad boy Okay. 11:42.56 archpodnet And also kind of and so towards the end after the presentations and the readings and we've given out then like oh okay, we know what this is so you got towards the end they were you know and there's still some students that were like struggling. Um, but they got they got they got. 11:52.21 sad boy But they did so like got better. They got better I was like it was just so funny to me I mean but I Also you're trying to learn like all the excavation techniques and remember everything that you're learning like I I get that that's like an overwhelming thing like. 12:04.52 archpodnet Yeah for them. But they all they all got the hypotenuse of ah of a 1 by one that was it. Yeah, so 1.4 one 4 or something like that or 1.1400000000000001 one I'd have to look but they got it I think it's 4 one 4 yeah yeah yeah I had I haven't written down my notebook you know and. 12:11.20 sad boy Nay. 12:15.74 sad boy So this is for us people who catch math. It's perfect. 12:22.47 archpodnet And there was also like times like cause I'd get, especially you know how it goes like as the excavation goes on the students get better. There's less for a supervisor to do so I just started asking them like when did the paleo indians start and like I and like Dr Banforth and Dr Carlford just there. They just laughed because I would just like pace the units just like lecturing. About like how do we know this like why is yeah I was just like Socrates at edit it just like just it because I and like it was it was funny and like some of my students like because there was a bunch there that I had taught like years ago and it was like crazy to see some of those kids that were freshmen and sophomores that take my class now seniors and juniors. 12:42.23 sad boy Um, pontificating. 13:01.77 archpodnet And and it was what was really fascinating to me is like a lot of them remembered my lectures and would talk and they're like oh yeah, we know this Carlton went on a fucking rant about this in class and so and so we and so I just kind of go around and like you know students enjoyed it. They're like you know and I but I always started getting into trouble because like then students would stop. Excavating and think and listen and then you know Dr Vanfort Dr Carlson and and the other ga would be like you know, digy digging. You have to talk and answer like dig and answer and think at the same time and so I kept getting him sidetracked by just being like monumentity or like why is collapse, problematic and like you know, just like how do we understand and there and. You know and the students enjoyed it and I wish I could have done more but like towards the end I was um, getting burnt out from some for other reasons that were present that I was just like I was just there to you know, make sure they weren't messing things out but I wish I could done. 13:50.13 sad boy I just can't I just can't picture exavation yet as any different now. It's like Plato or socrates like up at the top. Everyone instead of just like sitting and like Rob it. Everyone's just digging away like looking up like oh. 13:58.21 archpodnet Just me in this bright pink hoodie. Yeah, just in with short shorts just with them with a but but but 1 of my favorite things is because there were so many students and like everyone is having like I always have a hard time remembering soon. So I did these like fight club. 14:07.88 sad boy We're learning today. 14:16.65 archpodnet Competition. So like I'd like have a proposal and I'd go around secretly to the students like who's gonna win in this fight and at first it was just like a straight up fish fight. But then I was like doing goofy stuff like okay this man has whole hands and this woman has a light saber who's winning and like I ended up getting like such great. Matchups that it always came down like None like they got always really close and people were like what and they they really had to think um and so I think we had like a whole tournament and trying to figure things out. It was just like it would like students like they would just start dying laughing with some of the ones that I came up with and so. 14:35.74 sad boy Who. 14:53.58 archpodnet And they just kind of like how do you think of this like why does why? Why does she have like giant crap claws like where do you think of this and I'm like I don't know. Um, so. 14:54.80 sad boy It's. 15:00.96 sad boy Ah, ah, it really is amazing like at my field school at at the end of our field school when everyone's jelling together and I think this happens up to most places is that you get this like hey you guys just gel together as a team and we had. We had a competition. 15:13.42 archpodnet Yeah. 15:18.31 sad boy Where people were were all wearing costumes and like there's addolatal competitions and we were all speaking accents like I was one of the commentators speaking in like a british accent while this is being recorded on something and like just narrating the whole thing it it just all happens like that I mean I know in Wyoming they had like a they had a. 15:33.57 archpodnet Yeah. 15:38.90 sad boy Beer tasting competition or like a shitty light beer competition to figure out which one was the best like blind taste is. 15:42.62 archpodnet Yeah, we had we had field school games set up so like olympic style games like ready to go but just it got to crunch time we weren't where we needed to be and so like we weren't able to do some of that. Especially that last week it was like. This is it and we're not where we need to be you know because we weren't where we thought we were going to be and where we were at so is like couldn't do field school games. Um, but. Maybe next time you know it was also like as a ga right? Especially you know I learned a lot from Dr Banforth and Dr Carlson how to run the excavation like that's what I was kind of really there for so I chatted with him about that like how do we so it was like even for me, it's still learning and I think a lot more. Graduate students when they're in those roles should remember that you're still you know you're there as an intermediary like you were expected to know some things but also it's okay to ask for advice between other senior graduate students and also the pis like you're also there to learn and um so that's kind of what I took from that because I've seen I've had a. Host of different experiences right? like from high precision vertical excavations on rock shelters in Wyoming to like now horizontal you know different strategies of of excavation and and from from so many different mentors and it's just like how do you synthesize? all that like how. Bob takes a different approach to Marcel than than Jesse then Doug and and and and Casey like they're all coming at it from different lenses and from different things. It's like I looked at is like okay and I reflect on this past field school. What would I have done differently cause I'm about to be in their shoes and in 2 summers that have to get ready for is like I'm going to be running a field school 31 to None year old Carlton because my birthday will be in the field. How is how is this clown going to do it in a way that doesn't make people want to burn the site down and leave the field forever. So. You know I saw I've been this past week not only sleeping in and enjoying you know, not being surrounded by None people in A Catholic Hospital Slash Airbnb Chapel without internet and stuff like now I can't just like ignore people can say oh I didn't have service now I actually have to respond. Um, you know now it's just like what's up to next. 17:58.41 sad boy Well and we'll will Yeah, we'll see what we'll see what what's going on to next and hopefully Carlton will be back on another podcast. Thank you so much for coming on. Would you choose still to live a life in ruins. 18:09.33 archpodnet Second Yes caughtter I would and I'll be our next episode and for a while Unfortunately well, we'll get back onto our regular schedule programming who. 18:17.29 sad boy Ah, sources or literature recommendations that you have anywhere, get you on social media. Ah. 18:27.92 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, you guys all know it you guys all know it. But um I do want to recommend I do I do for anyone that is interested in planes archeology which I hope more people do um, the archeology of the north american great plains by Douglas B Bamforth came out 2022 Cambridge Press it's his magnum opus. I think it's like the none time someone is single authored an entire compendium of planes archeology since walde Waita Waldo waitle in the 1960 s so for those that are interested. Lynch is mentioned heavily in this I have a little piece where Dr Banfort thanks me um and so. 18:57.83 sad boy All. 19:01.77 archpodnet If you're interested in great plans. Archeology Lynch is in there and and well as some of the transformative things we're doing so check that out. Yes, it will. 19:04.88 sad boy When that will be in the show notes and anything written by Carlton Gover just look it up on academia there's ton of it all right. 19:15.89 archpodnet Yep, it's there and oh by the way if you're listening to this show in the all shows feed please considering subscribing to our show and downloading directly from a life forse podcast. Not only does it help our show grow but also allows us basically data to give to potential sponsors. And advertisers that help support and fund the show because eventually in order for us to do more dynamic and interesting podcast episodes and also content on Instagram and Youtube it helps that we don't pour all of our money into it. So ah. 19:50.85 sad boy I mean has to make money. Yeah. 19:52.43 archpodnet Help us by subscribing to our show. It would be nice to make money test right now. It's all pro bono. So with that we are out. Oh great. 19:57.96 sad boy 1 second let me try to fund my phone because I have all my jokes there. 20:09.99 archpodnet Did donny dust lose his Instagram. 20:25.33 sad boy Fuck it I'm looking online. 20:27.71 archpodnet Lower is I think Donny might have gotten hacked. 20:36.71 sad boy Oh where yeah. 20:48.82 sad boy Ah gotcha So this is corners crappy joke time me, it's the new jingle. 21:00.24 archpodnet Raby joke time. 21:05.85 sad boy What do you call a paper airplane that can't fly stationary. 21:10.64 archpodnet Trash Hilarious Connor that's actually really good I like it stationary I like it I like it all right? and with that we are truly out.