00:01.96 archpodnet Welcomed I don't even how to start this. It's been so like ah welcome to a life and roads podcast this is episode None one 6 I'm your host Carl takeover and I'm joined but my co-host Connor John and David's not here right now because he's up in the North Excavating Giants and mammoths beyond the wall. So he could not be here with us today. We miss him and it's ah it's been a while since I've been on and Connor has been has been faithfully holding down the fort during my my absence and it is just amazing to see your face today Connor how are you doing man. 00:30.72 sad boy Oh I'm just doing fantastic and we do investigate the careers of those like living a life in ruins in case, anyone else missed that you did you? You did so well. Otherwise so now it's It's really good to see you and it's been. Yeah, it's been. 00:36.58 archpodnet Oh yeah, Jesus I am so a practice. 00:48.77 sad boy It's been hard because you've you've been in the middle of nowhere. So it's like we've basically but not had real phone contact for like like it feels like a month. 00:57.22 archpodnet I have been I for quite some time and what had originally happened is I just did field work I was helping with the university of Colorado Boulder New State University Field schools and I was told ahead of time that we had access to the internet there. So there's 2 internets. There's the guest and there's the password protected None that's really great I was told we finally had access to the password protected None we were lied to. We did not have access. It was the wrong password and if any more than None devices are on it. The guest wi-fi doesn't work and ah. Trying to tell 31 college students to not be on the wi-fi is a difficult task in itself and so we were unable to record I only had service at site which is on top of a bluff. We were staying down down below in town in a floodplain so I had like 0 access to anything that. Mattered regarding this podcast I had no control like oh we had a plan Connor handled it super well and like trying to reschedule folks I just couldn't get on and the one time I was going to go to the bar that had wi-fi to do it. There was a tornado in town and like knocked out all the wi-fi and and service like it was just I was. I was being told to leave this alone and let David and Connor run it and run it. They did. Yeah. 02:12.10 sad boy And we sort of we did. We did some things we interviewed some people. Ah I think it was just it was really a sad thing because even when you were in Ukraine like you would talk to us like most nights and it's like not that we're like codependent anymore but there is like this like. Oh I'm going to talk to David and Carlton today and they're going to send me memes and make me happy. But no I just had to deal with David and his you know lack of planning and insanity and crazy life. 02:40.22 archpodnet I had I had better sell service at access to internet eastern europe that I did in Smalltown Nebraska um that is true. These aren't these are facts. Um, yeah, but ah otherwise it was like a really fantastic five weeks it was amazing to get back out. To the site that I was promised to have worked at for the past three years and which we we haven't been able for 2 because of the pandemic. Um, and so I was you know, grateful for the opportunity to get back and ah now you know? Ah yeah. 03:10.47 sad boy So what? where is this place at we give us give us the location. What? Ah what? Ah what were you guys? What were you guys doing. 03:18.76 archpodnet Yeah, so we were working at um, the lynch site 25 b d one for all those who know Smithsonian trinomials at Lynch Nebraska which is in Boyd County in Northeastern Nebraska just south of the Missouri River in South Dakota so really up there up in in a. Vacant part of Nebraska where primarily there's like None high school in each county and they have enough people to do None on None football. Um, you know so lynch population like None and when 35 people roll up the population expands by. You know, a none um, so It's a small town. Absolutely lovely and no for those that listen from the University Of Wyoming and elsewhere like you're used to these small town communities. You know exactly what we're talking about. Um it was the site itself is part of the plains village pattern it's ancestral Ponie and a Ricora which we'll get to um and it's. Um, the most dated site on the great plains. Thanks to me and Dr Bamforth and Dr Carlson and it's also the largest site on the great plains for the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries so it is a place of um, very immense social. And social change as well as changes in settlement patterns. So there's some really intriguing things going on at lynch that have connections to um the mississippian world from from none cohokia and up into onoda territory in the great lakes. So. There's some something crazy going on up there. You know, seven hundred years ago that eventually leads to I mean the you know the pawe and ricarreations a couple you know None three hundred years later right 05:00.17 sad boy That's awesome. Um, as as like a measure of size like how many bars does it have to two one. Oh. 05:04.45 archpodnet So Lynch Lynch Nebraska it has 2 2 bars and technically the bowling alley counts. So each so there's there's bubbas and that's his shirt I'm wrappping babba bubba tavern love Bubba Baba is a huge fan and supporter and ah quasi. 05:13.66 sad boy Ah. 05:20.27 sad boy If you're ever in Lynch Inbraska right stop in bubas. 05:23.80 archpodnet Yeah, quasi. So sponsor of the field school everybody has its hats and shirts like you know, um, there's the Kk K and k bar and then there's the bowling alley and so ah, it's ah yeah, the double k bar. So um, you know double k bar. You know you go there. And they got butt heavy and they got bud light and that's that's it. Um, you know and a pool table and then ah bubbas is way more. You know full bar just you know it used to be a restaurant prior to the floods in 2019 which we've talked about before um. 05:45.91 sad boy Ah, blood heavy. 06:02.66 archpodnet You know it used to be a pub and so like way more way more alcohol choices like very much It reminds me very closely of um oh gosh I can't think that there's ah ah, an allage in analogy for for Laramie. To be honest, but it's no I think more like um shit what's the one with the bullet holes. Yeah I think so so I mean like very much wide variety of drinks Nick drinks. They also do pizzas which are fantastic. It has a beer garden. 06:21.46 sad boy It'd be like that would it be like the ranger. Oh. Right? Ah ah buckhorn. Yeah, the buckhorn. 06:39.35 sad boy Ooh. 06:40.90 archpodnet Um, and sports bars so we were there. Ah you know during the stanley cup finals man like all of a sudden. The small town has like 20 something Colorado kids and we're all going crazy at the sports bar while they're all just trying to relax after a hard long day of you know, um agriculture and we're sitting there just like screaming go withs. 06:58.96 sad boy Ah. 06:59.52 archpodnet Every time there's a goal you know it is like and you know and locals um would comment how we bring life back to the community because it's not you know most people who are young once they go to college you know they don't they don't come back. They stay in Lincoln or Omaha or or somewhere else and so all of a sudden they have like. 30 young people in the town who are enjoying the town like there's a movie theater in town like surprisingly each one of these little towns in Northeast Nebraska has ah has a thing that day so one has the grocery store lynch has the movie theater. So they all kind of depend on each other for economies and Lynch has the bowling alley. So even though it's a town of 220 has amenities that um, you know that you know similar to maybe you know Laramie to be honest, um, just no fest food. We did so we did so yes so like actually. 07:40.59 sad boy Cool did did you see top gun. Did you get your own private screening of top gun is that what I hear. 07:51.29 archpodnet Um, I mean my brother saw it before we left. But then when we got to lynch bubba who owns his name's real name's Brad um, he was so excited we were back because I love last time I was there me and Bubba just really hit it off. He was so happy we were there and like was really interested about the archeology. He drove down after seeing us pull up and like I hugged him he was like hey. Top guns in town I can get you a private screening who wants to go see the top gun tomorrow night and are like wear're it out like let's do this and so like he was so happy we were back and he works at the movie theater too like he's an all-round town man. 08:17.35 sad boy Ah. 08:24.33 archpodnet And so the next day we were like oh by the way we have a private screening and the students were like who is this man I'm like that's Bubba. You'll get to know him and yeah it was fantastic. Tickets were like three bucks a bucket of popcorn was like $3 like students were like these are the prices I'm like this place is magical like hell Wednesdays at bubbas was all day happy hour. So beers were like none shots for $3 like I spent an obscene amount of money at these places because of everything was so cheap and it is like oh well this is worth like four beers in Colorado so it was an amazing town. They were super welcoming. We got to you know, take part in bowling tournaments shuffle board tournaments. Um, I really love that that place part of Nebraska is a very special place in my heart and so ah I spent a lot of my time outside of excavation actually connecting with locals. Um, they seem to like me I hit it off real well with rural folks I just turn on. Bring out the good old Virginia and start talking people about you know you know how's the deer hunting this year like how's everyone doing and just like get into that mode and make connections because even though I'm leaving um to go to Indiana Northeast Nebraska is still going to be I still want to work at that area. There's still so much we can learn. 09:33.63 sad boy For sure. 09:36.72 archpodnet And so it's important to make those connections and um Steve Holin is from Lynch Nebraska who we've talked about yeah how we've talked about so much Steve Holland is from lynch his ex-ives are from lynch and so he came to visit us and I got to know Steve so well. 09:41.49 sad boy That What? what? what. 09:54.62 archpodnet Like I've met him before but like he came up and we really got to talk because he's the reason why people in that area. Love archeology because they know Steve so they're not worried about us. Um, and so everywhere we go people ask oh do you know Steve Holein like yes we know Steve Holein and it was it was like really fun to actually get to know him on a personal basis and. Because he actually did a lot of pawnne archeology in his early career before he got into mammoths and so you know we talked about hisroody article. Um, and we and and we had really good conversations about it and and some of the experiences that he had at Uandl when nagppro was passed. It was like. You know it really opened my eyes because we've talked about him on this podcast in a very particular context because of the article was you know rather um, it had it had ah what's the what's the word I'm looking for. Not yeah yeah, it had yes, yeah, there were some repercussions from it but like. 10:39.29 sad boy Big connotations are big. Ah yeah. 10:47.44 archpodnet Getting to know the man himself and you know you know talking to him about like why did it take 20 years to do this and he's like I had to wait. You know it was really really contextualized it and I actually look at that article in a much different light and what he was trying to actually say and the boundaries he was trying to push and now I appreciate it more than just. What I thought it was so I mean it's it was just another one of those opportunities that made me reevaluate. You know how I think about archaeology how I you know think about the articles I read because there's still humans behind them and so and also to get the students to you know when we were outside talking. It was Dr Bamforth Dr. Carlson and and and Steve Dr Holland just talking. 11:13.71 sad boy Yeah. 11:23.69 archpodnet And it was like one of those like you've been there when George Frisn talks and with other professors you don't say anything you just want to be in that atmosphere and I was like grabbing students and like this is a conversation you need to be next to and just shut up and listen I was like throwing them all this. So now there's this whole circle of students and they're all like why are they here I'm like just fine. Just talk. 11:32.17 sad boy Go. 11:43.26 archpodnet We're not here. Just think we're not here just keep going because I've reflected on those same things with like when frisn and and and Marcel and Bob you know you're just you just you just take it in because those guys aren't going to be there forever and those are the experiences that you remember and just the things they were talking about was like things you don't. 11:47.57 sad boy And Kelly yeah. 12:00.45 archpodnet You don't normally hear professors or professionals talk about so it was cool. 12:01.97 sad boy Yeah that's why I say I think like conferences and like you know, being in the field and meeting these people and having those conversations are almost better than reading their their lit works because they'll give you like you know the literature there. Our articles go through a certain amount of of. Editing changing whatever. But if you want like the real truth from a lot of these folks, you need to have those conversations and whatever context it is I mean I would I'd love to have Steve on the podcast and and have him talk to us about this. You know if we want like yeah yeah, but I think yeah, those are those are. 12:33.59 archpodnet Oh yeah I think that would be great. He was such a cool cat. He he showed up with like frozen watermelon and a cooler full of beer. You know he's like 1 of those old school cats. It's like you know like here I am. 12:41.58 sad boy Those are the important conversations like you were mentioning man and. 12:49.47 sad boy Nailed it. 12:52.23 archpodnet This is me and like he just genuinely cared and he still loves the field and like I actually got to sit down and talk with him about his pawny work and he's like and he and he cares about it a lot and like the None thing he saw my tattoo and saw the cross piece pipe and Hatchet. He's like you're Doug's pawny student but he knows that shit and I was just like oh yes yes I am and he was like let's talk and so was like outside of the mammoth context you know I was like yes sweet mad because he because I I cited his stuff from like the 70 s and eighty s and he he just got a passion for large hairy elephants that you know he just he chased you know so. 13:16.94 sad boy If. 13:28.77 sad boy Yeah, there is I mean he was the curre curator at the museum for Science Museum Denver Museum made for forever right. 13:30.60 archpodnet Um, yeah, tempered museum like I've been I've been following him? Yeah yeah, I've been like following him this man. And and it was just kind of cool to see and he was just like you know he was like stop chasing me. Yeah because I was like oh Dr Steve Nash says high. He's like how does Dr Steve Nash'm like oh well I'm his postdoc. He's like what and you know and so it was really it was a really fun experience and um, he wasn't the only visitor like we had um the folk though. Retired state archaeologist Rob Bolle show up many members of the nebraska archeology program. Um departments at History Nebraska and we also had we invited the pony and ricar out for site visitation for a week which just went of it was just absolute phenomenal. Um, to have them out and participate and so like it was a really busy five weeks to be honest, like I like I'd been sleeping so much these but I didn't realize like it just felt like a rodeo man I didn't realize like how tired I was until I got back? um. 14:25.28 sad boy Yeah. 14:30.92 archpodnet And you know even it's weird though because like I swear to god the air conditioner I hear it whispering like sign my for well you see this artifact and I'm just like Jesus it's still in my head. Um and you know you go for. 14:40.78 sad boy But that's like the nice thing about like field work is that you you're fully engrossed in it and you're just there and you sleep well and everything goes well when you're in the field spending that time it feels like. 14:48.83 archpodnet Yeah, it was so cool. We had up such amazing students. In fact, like I didn't learn this until like the fourth or fifth week one of the volunteer editors of the Apn ah Laura is it was one of my students. 15:06.60 sad boy What. 15:08.12 archpodnet Like yeah I didn't it was her partner was like by the way Laura listens to a life in ruins like all the time and she works for Chris she edits podcasts I was like why didn't she say anything. She's like you know they were you know explaining. Maybe she's just shy about it and I was like Laura and she yeah then once I approached her about it. She's like I love your show I listen to every episode I want stickers like I work for Chris and I'm just like what we could have been talking this whole time about this like why did you wait till now. So huge shout out to ah to Laura for being an awesome. Not only an awesome student, an amazing student. 15:28.90 sad boy I. 15:40.61 archpodnet Um, but ah, you know a fan of of the podcast and then ah some of the students did mention that Goddam Hangover Trenchnapps album and so that came out and. 15:42.79 sad boy Yeah, awesome. 15:51.34 sad boy Ah, there will be a picture that will make the Instagram at some point of Carlton doing dirt nap I think at some point we'll see. 15:59.46 archpodnet Hangover. Yeah Hangover Tren it was it was they they were dying laughing because they like why does this exist and they were going through the songs and they never got to ah Clovis Paradise though they they they listened to they listened to the really bad ones. 16:09.80 sad boy Oh. 16:14.50 archpodnet And we're dying like you guys should probably listen to Clovis Paradise because that we're ancient aliens idiots like that. 1 ne's pretty decent. Um it it is um and but they were also blown away like the other thing but that was annoying like do you know David Howe and like they would show me posts from ethno and I'm like yes I know him is a co-host on the podcast would what. 16:19.32 sad boy That's the gem. That's the gem. Oh is it. 16:31.29 sad boy Um, you're like I wrangle him. 16:32.93 archpodnet And it was and I I was telling him like he because he was supposed to visit at some point like David's coming David's coming David's coming and then he never came like every time I told students like something was coming like the pawnes were supposed to bring tepes at one point that was never showed up like David was supposed to come. He never showed up so I got to like stop promising some of these things. But overall yeah I mean it was ah it was quite a five weeks it was it was in terms of excavation like the heat index we had up there I mean hell it was. It was a lot at times and you know I got a really kickass flip floptann got a victory. Victory vs on my feet right now. Um, just my zeroes they broke the first day and I was wearing flipopps which is fine. Everyone wears flip-fl flops in great plains archeology. Um, yeah. 17:18.13 sad boy Um, that is the wildest tradition that I've heard of you know. 17:23.62 archpodnet Yeah, it's like we we were we were sending you know pictures to like friends out in like the the mountain West or the southwest and they're like planes archeologists but like we were barefoot most of the time you know, like once we had the trail stamped away and you can and you could see where the cactus was it was like who needs who needs shoes. 17:39.71 sad boy Are you are you guys like the Jimmy Buffett you're just like doing margo read Aville in the middle of which the fres. 17:41.86 archpodnet Um, we read we were play like you should heard the playlist we had going on man like we you know people would visit and they're like is this a beach party because you know we're digging in pleistocene Sand we're all you know wearing tank tops and like short shorts. We're all. 17:57.32 sad boy I. 18:01.74 archpodnet Barefoot and everyone's just you know at some point delusional from heat exhaustion when it's over ° the heat index is one 15 Twenty Mile prior wind. So there's no shade and everyone's just a little loopy at the end of the day you know it just it became it's it's just it's just Lynch Nebraska man and then we all go home and we have a swimming Blake. It's crazy. It's it's like a summer camp. You know we'd we'd excavate all day. Go home hit up the pool. Um, the bar was only allowed on weekends though there was no bar outside of that you only went to bubba's Wednesday nights and we made it count but bowling alley is free like you know it's just it's different. It's a different experience that I'm used to at Wyoming that was for sure but it it I don't think that lessens the experience right? because I mean at the end of the day. So I think like some cerm crews like yeah, you can't but like the best majority you know it's your your. 18:47.69 sad boy No, not at all. 18:56.66 archpodnet Holed up somewhere and what matters most is maybe not necessarily how long it's into tent but and we did have people tent I can't like you had the choice of a rumor. We had our fair share of tent cans including Laura shout out to Laura so ah, you know it's just a different experience but they did so well. 19:11.44 sad boy Well and this has been quite the experience and we're gonna end this segment right now of episode None of a life and ruins podcast. Thank goodness David isn't here. We miss him r I p. 19:23.23 archpodnet Thank goodness. But we miss him I.