00:00.00 archpodnet Welcome back to episode None of a life in ruins podcast this episode is off the rails because Carlton isn't here to hang out with us. Um, now keep it in. Um so we do want to highlight. 00:00.99 Paul_E Walnuts Open size spin the request. 00:09.42 Paul_E Walnuts Edit out my birth None 00:18.61 archpodnet We do want to highlight some good aspects of it because I've been on some projects that I've really enjoyed David has to um, we want to give you both sides we want to be the good cop. Bad cop kind of kind of thing and David you were mentioning in the interim that you there is some aspect sort of some things in Kentucky that you've done and some. Jobs for swika that you actually enjoyed parts of do my. 00:38.79 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, um, I'll start with Swiga then you can do the um your stuff. Um, yeah when I worked for I don't want to I shouldn't say the name of the company. Ah Chris when I say. And we say worked for Swick I just say like worked for in the will beep it um because I I don't know if they hear this but either I just shouldn't mention the name. Um, anyway, so 3 2 None so yeah when I worked for a bigger company in Wyoming it was based at a Colorado I went out with a crew. Um, the guy had gotten his degree at Wyoming I he a master's graduate. He was older. He was in the kid 40 s real cool dude I worked with another guy Ben Perlmor he was friends with Spencer. He's a cool guy right? So another archaeological jew which was I learned. 01:25.49 archpodnet So shout out. Yeah. 01:33.95 Paul_E Walnuts In the middle of nowhere in Wyoming there was just 2 of us. Ah, and um, yeah, like some those digs were like there was None guy in our career that was like odd and even if he's listening to this I think he'll admit to himself like he's a little odd but he he was odd. Um. But the other guys got along with um, just another guy named Brady I think who is a university of wyoming student now. Um. 01:56.68 archpodnet He was actually ah he went on with me up to and did my field work in the winds and then was at laprell and is a masters student right now shout out Brady youdemaan. 02:07.19 Paul_E Walnuts That's right? Okay yes I remember Brady being like going back into school yeah worked with them hanging out at a hotel ah in I think it was Riverton Wyoming and you're like. After work. We would just go get beer hang out in the parking lot which I didn't realize you could just do. You could just post up in the parking lot with camping shirt. You probably can't um, hang out but we were paying to be there so we could hang out outside. Um, yeah, yeah, um, and like we would hang out and just drink. 02:27.24 archpodnet I Think that's called loitering. Oh it was at like at the hotel. Yeah yeah. 02:40.10 Paul_E Walnuts And then like I like they taught me how to like this one guy taught me how to like pee into like my like the truck with the wheel well without it looking like you're peeing if you really had to go because you had to get your car key to go back and so like your to go back to the room and stuff in the lobby didn't have a bathroom and he was like he like put his like. Hand up to his face like he was like searching the horizon but he was really just peeing. It was like just funniest stuff which I don't know if that's like sexual Misconduct that I don't think it is. There's no one around it was just us so ah, but like it was just funny to me. Um, and then like. Yeah, you're just hanging out and drinking but everyone has an anthropology degree um or a geology degree. It's mostly anthropologists you all have liked Minds. We talked about different ways and like I was still in grad school at this time so they were picking my brain about stuff and like oh he's so young you didn't know that and like but then I was like. Pushing back on some stuff and I was like no I Really think sediment moves this way and this is why this site's stupid and then they were like oh I like we would like get to like of and it was like fun because it's like you're you're doing um like your theory is getting put into practice. Um I Guess is the way to explain it and. 03:48.72 archpodnet For sure. 03:51.63 Paul_E Walnuts A guy who worked construction where we were working like the the pipeline came by and he was asking us like why do I have I will say this and we don't have to bleep it out. He said to me talking to me and the other guys and this is a valid concern. Why the fuck do I have to halt my construction. For three days for a fucking erahead and like he was said it in a very like intense tone like that but he legitimately meant like why because he just doesn't they don't they don't tell him why he just knows he has to and my field chief. Handed him a little card that was like his spiel of saying like what you know the environmental or the Epa says what the national register historic places says and like why we have to do that and we explained to him like you know it could be a big site. It. It could lead to something. It's indigenous heritage. We need to preserve it and the guy was like. Okay, but he was just like I just don't understand like why fema has to come in and like tell me like do it and he was like he had a Trump thing on his like car and stuff like that. So not to say that's like makes him a bad person anyways, just like you can I can tell where he's like what side of the aisle. He's coming from with these questions. And like they were good questions and I like wanted to have an answer I didn't necessarily have the full one but my boss gave him the full answer and it was like okay and we kind of came to like an agreement in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming in a hotel parking lot drunk. It was like pretty cool. Um. And another guy came in and talked about like Elle huntning because he would come in with his rifle every day. Um, he also made a very racist comment against it was very anti-semitic um with me and Ben sitting right there and we were like oh well have a good day man. You see some of that out west. Um. 05:34.12 archpodnet Okay, bye. 05:39.67 Paul_E Walnuts Also had a big ah political sticker on is we won't say which one it was but had it on his car. Um, yeah, so but that's not to say that's where his anti-semitism came from but it's just like and I don't even think he meant it directly. It was just a very like. 05:45.11 archpodnet It rhymes with botan old Rump. No, no, no, no, no, no. 05:58.94 archpodnet Um, oh. 05:59.11 Paul_E Walnuts Who did he really just say that to me. Um, but that's the thing I'm I'm a white passing minority. So it's just like and I'm white I would call myself that's a whole other topic. But yes I loved sorry. 06:10.45 archpodnet So You can like no I was gonna say you put it, you put this into practice. So like we talk about finding Stuff. We talk about like sediments. All that stuff. But you also talk about public archeology which is what you were doing on the second part of that where you're you're engaging with someone who's like a stakeholder and. Having a conversation with them and telling them why this is important and why we do this like that's those are both elements that we're taught. 06:31.53 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, and that yes exactly and that none day that was my first day on the job like after we had worked and gone out there and the guy my crew chief was like so yeah, how'd you like it man before we went to bed in different rooms but he was like. Would you like about it and I was like um man it's like cool like it this neat like I got to see my boss like on the none day immediately describe why I'm here like it was is kind of cool in a teachable moment. Um, and then other times like we would go to lunch because you get an hour lunch break. Um. And like but we sometimes we just staggered it and ate snacks throughout the day but you get the gas station runs in the morning where you're like ohsh they make fucking purple mountain dew now I guess we'll try that and it's just she just feel sick while you're digging. Ah, but it's funny. Yeah. 07:14.20 archpodnet Um, mixed with like the quickiemart or whatever The what was the ones that I would eat Oh my God Yeah and this was like I was I was a grad student so you can you can excuse that but I had the money to not do that. 07:22.88 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, yeah, dude you would eat come and go burritos every day. Yeah. 07:31.68 archpodnet I Just did that because I'm a piece of shit and hell admit to that. 07:33.90 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, it. But yeah, it's like stuff like that like you're at a lot of gas stations and like you eat a lot of beef jerky and sunflower seeds because you want to keep and like you have to do a lot of training where it's like heat Stroke rattlesnakes. Um. 07:49.56 archpodnet Hold Holds holes in ground. Yeah, like. 07:51.20 Paul_E Walnuts Gun violence like like a lots of holese in the ground. Yeah, like things you have to be out there for and like water and hydration is a legit concern and sun but like sunscreen and stuff like you got to wear safety vts. You got wear sunscreen you go or your helmet. Um that was fun but like little hole inthewall restaurants in the middle of nowhere. Um, like I remember this None place. It was his mom and pop place and like their son I guess was maybe their son had down syndrome and he like can't use like in his 40 s or 50 s and like came to the table and just like posted up and ate lunch with us and we're like what sub dude like he does like eat but like it just having fun and like he was trying to fist bump us like the whole it was like it was just fun. 08:28.82 archpodnet And Mike and you wouldn't like how you wouldn't actually like go out to that spot without being there for archeology too. So you do you get to explore like interesting areas that you would like not go to like I'm not going to go to? ah. 08:29.36 Paul_E Walnuts Um, like making this guy's day huh. 08:37.64 Paul_E Walnuts Culture. 08:45.12 archpodnet Trying to think where I I would and I wouldn't go to Walden Walden Colorado hang out there like that's so you do get to see some really interesting places too and meet interesting people and yeah. 08:46.47 Paul_E Walnuts Oisy I know yeah. 08:54.48 Paul_E Walnuts Culture. Yeah, like being on the rez I'd never been there and I could see like the the poverty like I'd never like I was like damn um and like on Fridays when like the it was sort of super date a month when like the checks come. Um, like it is a thing where like the liquor store is. It's like packed and I was like wow okay, like I've heard this but I never saw it firsthand and like I grew up in the East Coast so I was like it's just a vastly different world and I was like man. Um, yeah, oh dude. 09:23.78 archpodnet Or you get like shift workers people who work in like the oil fields and they all come off at the same time and it's like every. 09:30.51 Paul_E Walnuts Those are living pirates like like Haggard people coming into port they're like I need a mirror like sit but literally at these oil fields for like weeks on end making like a hundred thousand dollars a day because it's a dangerous job. Um. 09:39.49 archpodnet I'll been to see for fourteen days ah doing meth and steroids. Ah so ah, you know we also get to do cool research projects as part of Crm. So I've mentioned this before my company had did a project down in Durango colorado 09:50.60 Paul_E Walnuts Anyway, yeah, lot of math out there by about your theore. 10:07.10 archpodnet Where they were rerouting a highway a highway ones none so the rerouting this whole highway. Um, it's up on top of a mesa overlooking a river and if you've been to anywhere in the west you know that there's going to either be dead humans. There's going to be arrowheads. There's going to be pithouses there because there's going be everything these like escarpments and mesas that hang around water area. Water sources are just chock full of everything you want to find um, archaeological people have been living there for like a lot of just a long periods of time. And because they were moving the highway and we're going to disturb the ground. We got to go out beforehand and excavate and identify really really cool archeology like archeology that you want to do as part of your field school or. Archeology that you see maybe even we there was a we even film something so we we were on Pbs talking about this archaeology like there was really cool. You know Adobe pit houses where you can see like the wing walls um different like storage areas. 11:14.11 Paul_E Walnuts The sick. 11:21.93 archpodnet Um, all of the pottery you would want to see ever all of the the sandstone meates Monos you know effigies so you do get to go and see these cool projects. Um. And go to cool places and and see things and and also as part of this this project. We got to work directly with the ute mountainute reservation so we had mountain new students come out there and we taught them. Archeological methods had them help us dig and actually had some of those those workers hang out with us and work for us for the whole summer. So This is one of those other things where you're like you hear about this really cool archeology but you actually get to do it. And also hear about engaging and talking with stakeholders and hang and working with tribes working with different people who are interested in and you get to put that into practice as Well. So absolutely. 12:28.00 Paul_E Walnuts Um, and that's like worthy worthwhile work. Yeah, and that's cool. 12:35.62 archpodnet Yeah, like at the end of the day you feel good and you feel excited to do that as part of that I got to drive I got to operate drive what I say drive a drone do they make me small. Yeah, they make me small like Miss Frizzle and I was like on top of that like piloting it. Um. 12:47.54 Paul_E Walnuts Mario Guarded it. 12:54.96 archpodnet Um, but I got to operate a drone and create 3 d models of these pithouses and do really cool technology stuff. Um, we also found a lot of a lot of human remains that were almost immediately repatriated and reburied as part of this process. So. 13:02.50 Paul_E Walnuts A stick. 13:14.80 archpodnet It's it's just like you. It's ah it really is a crapsshoot. You'll have 30 projects in a year that suck and everything's miserable and you're walking transmission lines you're walking pipelines you're walking just just walking and you're digging or you're in the East Coast and you're digging holes. 13:25.76 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah. 13:30.64 archpodnet Every what five meters or something. 13:30.86 Paul_E Walnuts Through thick roots poison ivy poison oak bos chiggers ticks I have Rocky Mountain you dig through the board. Yeah, and you're like why the. 13:40.29 archpodnet Um, you dig through the bores. 13:47.39 Paul_E Walnuts Fuck did de soto release all of these pigs cancels Spain fun fact the spanish released a lot of pigs in the southeast so that when they came back from their expeditions. They had food. Um, and now we got a big and hog problem down airbo. Um. 14:04.99 archpodnet Explains a lot about the south. 14:06.37 Paul_E Walnuts It it does um so another thing too that was like great with Crm was I took this job reluctantly because I just I needed a job but knowing Shane he like saw someone say hey we need like a really experienced field assistant. Um I think it was my job was a tech but I was the pi's assistant is what I was on paper um glorified glorified ah shovel bum. So ah, but yeah, they needed that someone who could do bones and someone who was like could be work with high profile stuff between like the army corps and on it so that Sham was like you need David. Um, no no I'm not dusting my shoulders off in anyway, here. But um I think. 14:45.14 archpodnet Did you just do was that a a shit's grief reference eo David oh dad. 14:50.27 Paul_E Walnuts Che air. Yeah, um, yeah, so um and this it this kind of plays into it because it we I went to this site in Harlan Kentucky and if you're not sure what Harlan Kentucky is that's like where. Like there's songs about it like in the 1920 s but like unions and like coal miners and stuff like that. It's like the heart of coal country rural like where there's actual inbred people and like it was a thing in the town. Um and like not in Harlan itself but around that area. Um. And like it was up in the mountains dude and like I was just like oh and there was a guy from long island that was there so I was like hey I'm a little cool and the guy that I ended up working with with new south I love the guy to death like I would get a beer with him anytime I see him great guy another person from New South worked there she was an oste osteo bio archeologist. Like she died with the the remains and stuff she worked in Florida taught she was contracted out worked there and then we also worked with the army corps who it was the army corps' Land's The Army Corps built railroad there in the 1910 s or 1920 s or something like that. What was the flu. 15:57.18 archpodnet I nothing think it was like the 1910 s like early. 16:00.80 Paul_E Walnuts 1910 so it was then they were building it then because a lot of the people died whatever year the spanish flu was um and like a lot just poor irish immigrant graves with like whiskey bottles in them and that was it and like a doll or None and like it was just cool to see that aspect of like. Just essentially like train track fodder just being thrown into the dirt because they didn't have anywhere else to send them but the cemetery was getting eroded out by the river because or the river was a usa controlled river and it was eroding out so we had to go dig it out but working with the core this guy I found out had. Worked on the trial for Saddam Hussein he did all the mass grave excavations in Iraq um Iraq Iraq Iraq um and like dug all that out testified against Saddam Hussein using archeology. Being like yeah we dug out all these graves and there's just you can see where the bullets shot these children in the back of the head and like you can see their clothing in like artifact a b and c as if it was evidence and like Saddam is was now hanged on public television and that's why it's why people are like I just I can't. Believe there's like gratuitous violence in these shows and like I was None and saw Saddam hanged on live Tv I think I can handle it but like um anyway, just a cool experience and like they were from St Louis so they were like obviously upper class. Ah people. Um. 17:09.88 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, yeah. 17:24.82 Paul_E Walnuts Like working for the core. Um, the guy from New York was like a trade worker but he was really good with backhose and stuff and he came in but the guys that worked the site that were like from Kentucky because a funeral home was going to repatriate all these grades couldn't understand a word. The guy said. And he was like hey man you go bu going now gone ba I didn't go I cool one day I'm go mushroom babo when I was like yeah and then at one point dude this is one of the scariest things about like how diverse America is ah that guy like rolled his window down and he looked like. The physical embodiment of foghorn leghorn I can't describe it slash Dave Thomas from Kfc um, you know Dave Thomas is Wendy's who's colonel Sanders there you go he rolls the windows dude to play and he literally said shit like that he rolls the window down as I'm moving buckets off the hill. 18:09.42 archpodnet I Do decla. 18:18.98 Paul_E Walnuts And he goes son. Do you vote for Trump it's like just deer in the headlights and I like have gauges and a of tattoos. So like clearly I probably vote one direction and he was just like just looked dead and I was like. Probably a none pause and I like didn't want to say who I voted for so I was like ah then he goes you vote for Hillary and us neither and he goes oh good man and then rolled the window back up and I was like ho I could have been shot like it just felt so weird. 18:44.32 archpodnet I. 18:54.22 Paul_E Walnuts But I judged and I was like these people are like scary and weird and hill people they made us moonshine at the end of it and get like illegal moonshine and gave it to and I didn't know was illegal but my the field guy allegedly the guy from the Army Corps was like hey David just so you know, um one. 19:07.80 archpodnet Allegedly. 19:14.30 Paul_E Walnuts Don't go to town and meet young women cause you're their ticket out of here and I was like that's a little rough and he's like yeah but it's the truth and then also um I wouldn't drink this man's moonshine without the knowledge of knowing that he made this in his bathtub and I was like that makes it kind of better and he's like I didn't say that. But like winked at me as he said so I was like as kind of. 19:33.88 archpodnet Yeah, so so you c our M people out there are interested in doing crm you could have these experiences you could have add, you could be. You could be yelled across the site by ah but by Foxhorn Leghorn You could. 19:40.67 Paul_E Walnuts Yes, wouldn't trade it that was fun. 19:52.12 archpodnet Fly a drone over really cool pit houses. You could operate it yourself if you get really small and turn in like Miss Frizzle does you could do all these things just be aware. 20:03.80 Paul_E Walnuts That it's a lot of sweat a lot of sunscreen a lot of possible rattlesnake bites a lot of Poison Ivy and a lot of nights in a hotel room being like. 20:13.73 archpodnet Thank you so much for listening to us rate review the podcast We don't recommend you read anything because reading's dumb. Um, don't follow us on social media. Don't send us reviews. We hate you. We love you. 20:15.71 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, and we'll end it there. 20:32.58 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, you can catch me at None coast comedy club next Monday at Chromes good. 20:32.67 archpodnet And David probably has a better pitch for that. 20:42.00 archpodnet Um, that's ah. 20:42.50 Paul_E Walnuts That's all I got dude. Um, oh please, great and review the podcast do the whole thing guys Chris Ro um Chris Webster Chris Webster and ah, what's Rachel's last name Roden rodent. Yeah. 20:54.79 archpodnet Rodin. 20:56.24 Paul_E Walnuts Rachel Roden I keep on say Rachel rubster but that makes Rachel Webster it just rocks my world Chris Chris Roden Chris Webster and Rachel Roden are wonderful people who edit each one of these episodes. 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So if you rate review the podcast I will highlight you on the life Neds Podcast page. That all I can offer without getting yelled at by the other 2. 22:12.30 archpodnet And with that we are out shitty joke Tom Shooty joke time shitty joke time 22:20.36 Paul_E Walnuts Honor connor do you have a shitty joke wait. We really got to stop saying shitty because they're gonna get edited it well that they've we've said it so much. He's probably given up on editing in any anyway. So sorry Chris or Rachel. 22:38.50 archpodnet Crappy joke time crappy joke time crappy joke time. Okay, so ah, a friend asked me to play the part of brutus in an upcoming play about Julius Caesar look them and I was like you know I take a stab at it. 22:51.64 Paul_E Walnuts Nice. That's some old Republic Humor I know it was it empire then. 22:58.65 archpodnet Right. 23:04.78 Paul_E Walnuts That sound play is as cat's counter is or Conor's cat is looking its asshole on the corner. All and with that we're out. 23:08.60 archpodnet Um, and we're out.