00:00.00 Paul_E Walnuts Welcome back to episode none since 151 of a life in there is podcast I'm here with Conor John Carlton is not joining us today. Um, so so sad. Who do you think was the none person to invent that like a street performer in like London and you know. 00:19.26 archpodnet Some guy on the street. Yeah, he's probably like fall around like you know, larger people or some will getting rejected. It's just like where. 00:32.60 Paul_E Walnuts Who are like the None person to do it definitely got a laugh like somebody was like that's fucking funny might they that I gain sorry for the english audience. Um, but I mean you deserve it. 00:38.43 archpodnet Ah, ah, Jaky Jaky 00:50.13 archpodnet Um America how about that revolution of 1776 have that taste. Yeah, it's it's the most accurate most factual since. 00:51.70 Paul_E Walnuts So um, yes, Rat Boy Um, but should listed our episodes on that's accurate. 01:08.13 archpodnet Donald Trump's something on something. It's. 01:10.26 Paul_E Walnuts Just x x or y. It's um, it's an ad lib there Mad Lib um dude did you see the thing about him throw in the plate of ketchup against the wall. The hearing. It's just like it's what and like I'm like this isn't real and then like you hear it and you're like okay that's real like he threw his like he would frequently pull the tablecloth out from under the like as like a cartoonish evil boss anyway. 01:28.30 archpodnet Oh my god. 01:33.86 archpodnet Ready. It would gone better if you tried to do like a magic trick where he's like I'm going to pull this whole table spot from underneath you I don't know why it was like a terrible New York accent but that's Donald Trump 01:40.67 Paul_E Walnuts But talk about it. Abric is that bread. 01:51.62 Paul_E Walnuts But it's it's what it is. Um, yes, so right now it is the summer it is in field school I'm about to go into the field for two weeks um at the ah lorele Mamos site national geographic funded and probably mammos lane's what's good. We're gonna turn Dr Spencerpolitan you know, just you know some cool people. Um, yeah, but ah, I'm doing that. That's that's a fun dig. 02:09.44 archpodnet No big deal Todd Sir welcome Dr Matty Macy 02:21.97 Paul_E Walnuts I'm not running it I'm going to just hang out I'm not getting paid to dig I'll be making content and stuff but like that's fun. There's crm stuff which I'll be doing later this summer Connor you were working cram currently, but there are people out there. Who are working here I'm currently doing like the work we could say. 02:42.34 archpodnet Yeah, like respect respect to all those people out there. You know who are really putting in the time putting in the miles putting in the hours putting sorry let's do this correctly. The kilometers. 02:54.71 Paul_E Walnuts Putting in the meters 03:00.82 Paul_E Walnuts Oh I meant like shovel test the meter deep. Yeah, but still yeah, um. 03:02.25 archpodnet Feat If you're doing historic site. Oh yeah, yeah, this episode is going to be for you. But we're just going to talk about cra and make you sad because we like we don't want to make you happy and let you enjoy like new research or like. Find out new things about Archeology. We Want to remind you that you are sad and you are in a hole and that you're never going to get out of that hole. 03:25.00 Paul_E Walnuts And your crew chief is probably listening and I'm going to say he's probably a dick and you're like um, Wow and now you're kind of looking back at your screen like you don't want to make eye contact because you agree so you're just screening with your. Yeah, you know and it's just it's what it is um, but also yeah, maybe there's someone on your maybe to she? Maybe it's a they maybe someone on your crew is just the worst dramatic person you've ever encountered and. 03:40.96 archpodnet Send us send us the pictures of the crew Chief Please we want to see him. 03:58.12 Paul_E Walnuts He or she or they are terrible to work with and like now you're all kind of looking around like oh because like you, you all know who that person is as I'm saying this but you're not going to look at each. Yeah see you're doing it right now you're not going to look at the person because it's awkward and I've made it worse for you. 04:12.69 archpodnet Ah, and and if you don't know that person then it's you ah. 04:18.27 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, that's very true. Yeah, so careful on that one but let me let me paint the picture for you guys here? Yes yes I Love the fact that it is federally protected public land. 04:21.90 archpodnet Ah. 04:32.50 Paul_E Walnuts In which when you find archaeological remains you can dig up the past and preserve indigenous American Heritage I love that I do do I love it so much that I would love to drive to the middle of the desert. 04:39.82 archpodnet Name shift. 04:47.84 Paul_E Walnuts Step on a rattlesnake or None working for a giant engineering company who gives no shit about me whatsoever. Other than that my social security number is on there with a low pay salary and you know I don't have any criminal history. Do I love going out to the middle of that desert digging a shovel test in the beating sun carrying a screen 30 minutes across the field because you can't find any 2 tracks to get there with your truck. But then when you get there realize there's a None track right? there where you could have taken the screens and shovels and all the paperwork to the spot. Do I love it. Do I love it when I dig that shovel test and it's negative and it's negative and on the none shovel test that's required you find one flake a meter deep and then you have to. Dig 3 more shovel tests around that and still find nothing and it was just that one flake to preserve indigenous heritage do I love that I love that I love it I absolutely love it and it's why I'm doing that today in my parents office on a nice cozy microphone in the air conditioning while my bus is roasting. 06:04.71 archpodnet And that is why exactly I love it so much that I send people out there and do tech support from my beautiful beautiful home in Washington where it is like ° it rained a little bit today. I got to walk outside. You know I am really struggling here because I need to be out on the field on the ground in those dunes getting yelled at by engineering companies getting yelled at by Blm. Um, archeologists getting out of that. Whatever whoever it is. I need I need to be out there and I'm sad right now I am so sad like my cats hang it out in the back there like I've got plants I got a cours light I didn't even sweat today because I'm just a big old piece of crap. 06:43.61 Paul_E Walnuts Are you sad you look it. 06:55.62 Paul_E Walnuts To be fair, there's cores light and a lot of C crews. Yeah um, nothing I say here is leg review. Okay, environmental consultants. What so that? Um, yeah. 07:01.65 archpodnet That's True. Ah depending on what state you're In. Um. 07:13.37 Paul_E Walnuts Ah, sorry what you done talking about what you loved because I definitely interrupted. 07:15.00 archpodnet No, not yeah yeah I just I miss it so much and I know you miss it to being right there you miss heaven. You don't you don't want to have a pool in your backard to go jump in. 07:20.80 Paul_E Walnuts I I do I love I no I mean I really don't want to stay at my parents' house any longer but the diesel prices are pretty pretty high. But I am leaving on Friday so I'm really good I'm like I'm out I'm done. Um. Love my parents. Great place I love nashville why get an apartment while I'm here while the but like you know it's this old thing do I miss do I miss living in a Hampton Inn in the middle of the reservation of Wyoming um every night getting those nice delicious eggs. 07:43.31 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:58.91 Paul_E Walnuts Hampton inns provide and like the little bit of stale cereal that comes out of that weirdly, 1970 s machine in which dispense is cereal and do I love getting orange juice and or cranberry juice out of the little machine that probably is full of mold into those little dixie cups. Do I love it. Do I love the little salsa picante packets they give you with your eggs every morning I think I do do I love going do I love basic cable do I love having a wi-fi that's like not the best. So I'm kind of forced to just watch c-span. On basic cable questioning my life and why I'm alone in a living room. No what are you a hotel room and in Riverton Wyoming do I love that? No I'm gonna say I don't love that and I think. 08:45.64 archpodnet No no and no one does. 08:49.11 Paul_E Walnuts And think we should stop glorifying crm in such a way because sometimes it is shitty. 08:52.38 archpodnet Most of the time I would say it's probably shitty. 08:56.79 Paul_E Walnuts And we talk about this connor a lot. We don't want to gate keep at all for anthropology we don't however, if you do not. Like we talked with Vinny last week if you're not willing to put in that like amount of mental effort to get through all that graduate school to become a vinny's a specific case where he's the kid's a genius doing genetic stuff for like whatever he's doing but like. If you're not willing to pull out work in you're gonna be doing crm and not that that's a bad thing like Angela said Angela Perry Dr Perry a couple episode think episode None episode None one. Um, she ah she has ph d she went through all the academia loves serm. That's what she does now and it's not like the the burger King to like Mcdonald's being like. 09:29.80 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 09:43.58 Paul_E Walnuts You know the academia because I mean I personally think with Don's a little better bird king what can you do? the kerger bang dude their stuff is disgusting um that I still haven't figured out the kiger bang but it is interesting to see the be. 09:47.82 archpodnet Oh'll get out of here. What do you what do you what do you use yeah but they have the best the spiciest meme page come on looking up upon the Instagram the curger being. Ah. 10:02.75 Paul_E Walnuts It it is it is a it is a place guys check out the kierger bang on Instagram a friend sent it to me and I question her sanity. Um. 10:05.28 archpodnet We. We do not endorse anything said in the careerger being, but there is no um, dark doc doc monold's I don't know what's what's the what's the mcdonald's. 10:14.73 Paul_E Walnuts Um, the celebrated pride. But there was fun with after the will Smith thing with him wearing a burger king crowd. So the far of the pages they just they photoshop a burger king ground under people and it was will smith say keep your wife's my wife's name off mom mcnubbets. 10:29.69 archpodnet Um. 10:41.33 Paul_E Walnuts And it makes those sense but do I love living in a hotel and the only ah food options are like a safe way with like vegetables that are very questionably fresh to eat because it's in the middle of the landlock state in the desert. Um. 10:57.48 archpodnet Where nothing's growing Ai n't nothing growing around there. 11:00.66 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, am I trying to eat like ah ah take your make your own salad I don't know do it Maybe I'll swing by a bird King and eat it and then feel immediately sick afterwards. Yes, um, there is this other options. But. 11:13.54 archpodnet It's not it's it's not pretty though I mean like I don't think academia is pretty and we've highlighted that None of times like how bad and like awful. It can be and it's not like you one route you get to choose like it. You can go back and forth like Angela has done. 11:19.60 Paul_E Walnuts J. 11:31.46 archpodnet A lot of people have gone and done crm for a couple years and then they're like yeah you know I had too many eggs too many see um, too many Hampton in eggs that it's it's really ruined in my gut I got to get a ph d. 11:40.32 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, right? And like when you get a higher degree you can yes probably be more of management. You can do like you're a manager I'm a like I was a manager like you can do an office job and that's not so bad but then in an office job. You're sitting in None spot. Connor there's no son half the year. So he's just like ah and then in Georgia I was just roasting and I saw a cockroach run across my very clean house run across my computer desk and I was like I'm going to burn my house down. There's no other option to I'm I'm leaving. 12:15.36 archpodnet That is the he didn't commit ourson he thought about it thought about So so oh my God I'm just picturing the go ahead. 12:17.90 Paul_E Walnuts So I bought a bos and quit my job but thought about it. It would have been self mars in self-immolation. Um, but not to say that what's up oh just meet the the monk from Vietnam. Yeah. 12:32.96 archpodnet Yeah I was I was thinking Monk thing you know? Yeah, that's. 12:36.43 Paul_E Walnuts Every time I see a cockroach I can so I think that man's life is better than mine. Um, but um so sorry guys. Ah yes, but so to all that aside I'm not saying that Cm is like not glorious. Um there are aspects to it that are great. 12:41.30 archpodnet Ah. 12:54.91 Paul_E Walnuts And I'm not saying like you should be in academ like ah what?? what am I trying to say here I'm not saying that like it's a prison sentence to do Cr M versus Academia. It's not.. There's some cm That's amazing. However, if you're not if you're going into anthropology because you like find it interesting but you're not willing to like go further. Into graduate school. Maybe you can't afford it yet. Fine. Do Crm like put your work in. Um, if you're not willing to like get to that management stuff and you just want a Job. You're going to be doing archeological grunt work which is not pretty um. 13:26.12 archpodnet Now. 13:28.40 Paul_E Walnuts Some places it is you have an amazing crew. It's a great time. Laura Canon had that experience. We should get her on to talk about that like. 13:32.54 archpodnet Yeah, yeah, absolutely highlight some of the because she she talks about those experiences like they were some of the best years of her life kind of thing. Yeah. 13:39.56 Paul_E Walnuts Like camping with a bunch of hippies in the woods of Mississippi yeah, it was like awesome. Um, what's her name Elena Haverook she like loves her career that she works with she loves her job. Ah, Amelia it's her last name Amelia doll seems to love her job. She does like. 13:55.61 archpodnet Doll. 13:58.94 archpodnet Um. 13:59.40 Paul_E Walnuts Office work and fieldwork. Um, but there are some people that I know who are just like I can't do this and they quit and they do something else because you are living in a hotel um, especially like when I worked with swiqa it was people I'd never met before but I knew them through people. Um and like. We weren't like go. We don't we didn't go way back like we weren't like friends forever so it was like a fun you're with your friends in a hotel every night drinking. It became that after a while but then after that Swick is like hey I need you watch this other project tomorrow and had the drive to the other side of Wyoming and watch construction for 12 hours a day while they dug their gravel and talk owaukee talk and be like. 14:37.78 archpodnet The game. 14:38.28 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, nothing and like then go back to an apartment where they didn't put me in a hotel. They haven't an apartment with a roommate who just didn't talk to me which is fine because I was tired but like I was just like what am I doing with my life like I don't no. 14:47.99 archpodnet Well and then field school. You're not exposed to any part of that field school. You're kind of like given this like glamorous or not glamorous I I know that there's fields go out there that put you through the ringer and you you know you suffer and you you do that. 15:00.35 Paul_E Walnuts Field school looks like the opening scene of Jurassic Park where they're at like that nice camp with the trailer and it's fun. Yeah, like the dig. 15:06.69 archpodnet Yeah, exactly exactly exactly and you you know you camaraderie you build friendships but bla Blah blah. But after that it's worth testing the waters of crm and putting your toe in and being like going on a project. 15:16.62 Paul_E Walnuts See. 15:25.81 Paul_E Walnuts Yes, and sometimes you'll drive by the the highway drive down the road and you'll see a construction crew on the side of the road and you're like man. It's hot those poor Bastards one of them more likely than not is a geologist or an archeologist out there overseeing what's being dug. Um. 15:26.50 archpodnet Before you do the full commit I would say. 15:44.45 Paul_E Walnuts And like fuck that like some like the middle of Nashville Tennessee middle of summer just so hot so humid and like you're just out there in a wet clay hole looking for and Nashville has none of material. So it's like you have to then halt construction. Then they hate you because the supply chain right now. It's just like I'm dreading doing some work later this summer that I'll be doing but like. 16:09.26 archpodnet Yeah, because you're going so you're going to a place where it's northwestern Colorado where it gets up to a ° and the place is used as like a lithic landscape everyone lived everywhere. There's stuff everywhere and you're out there trying to document stuff. So people are complying with the laws. But you're also impeding construction progress like you're saying so you're you're in this weird place where you're like sunburnt dying overheated getting yelled at by a construction company but you're also finding the cool stuff. 16:44.49 Paul_E Walnuts Yeah, or or the construction people after two weeks you get to know them because you're there every day then you get close enough where they're willing to tell you yeah me and my friends came in here and picked this area clean of arrowheads and I have them at my house. You want to see them not realizing that that is one of federal crime. 16:46.73 archpodnet You know. 17:03.95 Paul_E Walnuts And None the point of me being there is to look for that stuff and like without that I'm not going to be able to tell what's there and like if we dig through something yes, but it's just Goingnna be a campfire I don't know if it's gonna be a shoshone campfire versus a crow or a like early archaic site. Um, so yeah, there's that. And then you're wondering like why do my tax dollars go to this because like that is the stupidest job when you're not finding anything but it's also a worthwhile job because you're preserving indigenous heritage but it's more so as Aaron Deter will have pointed out to me like. Are we saving indigenous heritage or are we just doing environmental compliance because it's federal required and that's really all sear and boils down to sometimes and like the groaring is gone. 17:49.27 archpodnet Yeah, it's a yeah, it's it's like a philosophical debate that you will have every day while you're sitting there watching someone do like ten centimeters of a bulldozer moving. It was on a project that did um was putting in fiber optic cable and it was. That. So basically the the thing was cutting into the ground. The machine was cutting into the ground and then laying cable afterwards and it just broke every 5 minutes every 10 minutes thing broke and you're sitting there like I am not going to find anything underneath that. And then all these thoughts come in your head all these philosophical questions like what am I doing with my life. Why am I getting paid for this. What is the meaning of everything and it is brutal. 18:32.27 Paul_E Walnuts Um, yeah, and on that note, um I couldn't said it better with self con to be honest, um, let's talk about the good stuff though next next session because I mean there's good. There's more bad than good to me and there's more good than bad in a lot of ways. So What I just said was boy list next session.