00:00.00 archpodnet Go. 00:01.99 alan Welcome back to segment 3 we're with Laura Lee from the felicitous Goodman Institute talking about ecstatic postures and altered states of consciousness and Laura at the last ah piece the prior segment we were talking about some of the physiological and. Neurological effects of these experiences. Um, what's been some of the more remarkable manifestations that you've seen or experienced in your time working with this particular modality. 00:39.50 Laura Lee Oh my Alan I'm writing a book on this with some of the um and the range of experiences that we have and um and with permission from those people because these are very personal and sacred experiences of course and so um. But I want to share one of my own and this was when my father died I was so close to my dad and it was devastating when he passed and I just felt crushed like I was at the bottom of the ocean I couldn't breathe I was so surprised at the. Physiological and and physical pain of grief and um and I I know that we do have psychopolmp postures within we have realm of the dead postures I mean we have postures for many different things and Goodman would test these over the years and just say oh these are purposeful. These ancient people had various rituals and these postures were part of these rituals and they they had purpose from divination to general healing and finding balance to initiation which is brooking life death in the promise of rebirth to metamorphosis and shapeshifting to ah living myths. To divination these downloads of of insight. So I knew there was I knew I could go do a realm of the dead I knew I could go you know resolve this but I was a little hesitant to do it but it was when a friend came between ah workshops and she was requesting. Oh hey i'm. 02:14.19 Laura Lee I hear from Europe and can we do I was like yeah, let's pull some people together so we have people at the ready wanting to do this work So here I was um, going in again and you know sometimes it really doesn't matter which posture you are doing what the spirits and believe me we don't have a belief system or Dogma here. It's really how do you Define spirits? How do you define this realm of this universe in which we live um, is it all between your ears that works is it is it the universe as one being and we're all a cell within it that works too. So It's not about Belief. It's about direct experience and I was not expecting this. But here I find myself in this journey going. So so deep and I happen upon an underground chamber and there is a cage with bars and I walk up to it and it's my father who just been deceased and he's there. My father was a very dapper Dresser. He took great pride in and and taught us all you present your best. So Best self always he was quite the Disciplinarian and here he is looking quite out of sorts in these ragged old coats a series of ragged old coats and under his feet.. There are these burning Embers and I was also feeling like so many regrets at his passing like even though all of my siblings spent months with the family and were there not for the heavy lifting they had help but just to. 03:50.88 Laura Lee Tell the stories and remember our childhoods and tell them how much they meant to us and go through the life lessons and just all those rituals you do as a family knowing you're about to lose 1 of the members and I still had regrets did I tell him enough did I you know the times that I didn't. Do as he asked the life decisions the the times I was too busy to come home. All of that I still had regrets and I was suffering too and I walked up to him in this vision. And I sit here and let me take that coat off of you that doesn't belong on you and I dropped it through the grate and it would burn up. There would be another coat I drop it and through the grate and at this tattered after tattered garment I would drop through the grate and it would burn out until finally. I saw this shining being in front of me and and it was him with all his regrets I had helped from his regrets and then he looked at me and he started to take these tattered garments off of me which were my regrets. 04:43.86 alan Oh wow. 05:00.88 Laura Lee And we both became these bright shining beings and we could just exchange all of the love that there was and I was resolved and I came out of this experience and I was healed I had no more regret I felt that I had met him on our own terms and I had resolved. And he had resolved everything between us and I was I came back to the land of the living emotionally and so that was one of the more profound ones for me. 05:29.69 alan I would say so that some that's absolutely remarkable and amazing that you had that experience. Yeah, yeah, absolutely and remarkable and um and and amazing. Um, when I think about. 05:32.94 Laura Lee Um, is and it's like shamanizing for yourself. Yeah I am ever grateful for that. 05:47.37 alan The um, the posture that we were talking about 1 of supplication perhaps is one of them and I was mentioning that before I've seen it a couple of times actually in rock art where there's ah, a being a spirit being or some other kind of a. Ah, figure and it looks as though it's entreing a larger figure. That's some sort of ah an animal human figure or some sort of a much larger deity. What do you think is going on there. Go ahead. 06:06.77 Laura Lee Um, and yeah. 06:11.50 Laura Lee Yes, yes. 06:22.86 Laura Lee Well I could speak to this from um, a couple of the goddess postures and one of which is a statue um in alabaster I believe of a naked woman with her handout her left hand is out and her right hand is by her side. 06:25.99 alan Please. 06:40.36 Laura Lee And this is um, such a beautiful gesture and this is such a beautiful experience. We have other postures where both hands are out. We have postures where you are lifting your arms ah straight up. That's a little harder to hold for 15 minutes but there it is. And um, it's really about entreating the universe to engage this is about calling forth the spirits as Goodman would call it and as an academic. She was also very much a mystic she would say who am I to change the language or that relationship just because I grew up in an ah era in which that. 07:16.72 Laura Lee Is no longer um, accepted widely? Um, but this is this is about engaging the universe and I really truly offer many thousands of people taught and hundreds and hundreds of sessions that we facilitated when that offering is made. She would hand us a little pinch of cornmill she she was in the southwest her headquarters the institute she established was on an ancient village site in the northern edge of Santa Fe the institute has 7 four hundred and seventy two acres ah there of this ancient rolling Juniper Field landscape 07:41.47 alan Um. 07:47.78 alan Um, ah wow. 07:54.86 Laura Lee And old Adobe buildings and I've come to learn because we have taught this in conference rooms in laboratories in living rooms in classrooms. We taught 100 students at Parsons Paris in France we've um, taken this in a laboratory at work just fine. There. Um, we also have taken this to a museum exhibit where we worked with a modern artist melocaan and we advised her ah here are the ritual tools we use would you come and do a performance piece that you could choreograph on this could yes but we want it to be authentic. 08:26.21 alan But. 08:30.91 Laura Lee So there. We were at the pele de tokyo and in ah, a big modern art exhibit hall in in Paris right? across from the eiffel tower where we spent many weeks we advised her these ritual tools have to function like this which she beautifully did and we created our. Performance piece on the stage which was basic our ritual. We took some of her parson students and taught them the ritual and it worked. We all had trances and there would be ah around us and the audience even understood it so beautifully they would hold the posture with us. 08:59.20 alan Ah. 09:05.72 Laura Lee They would close their eyes and meditate with us. They got it. Um, it's that you create a sacred space and people act accordingly and so we have taken this to many many um environments and um see I need to remember my point here. What was they saying. Um, oh yes, what I have learned about this is that you are opening that door. You can choose not to and you won't have a steepest of an experience I suspect but it's about opening up is something about you open your pores up. You open your heart up. You become willingly surrendering to this great divine sacred space of a cosmos that we inhabit and you let the energies pour forth that I think is the key to this because we have. Ben in those various environments where it's not about corn meal. You can't toss it around. It's not about lighting candle. It's not about smudging. You can't do it in some of these spaces but it really is about the energy the gesture that is I think a readout to the body as much as it is to this cosmos. And this sphere this field. Whatever it is and that it's about you taking that step willingly across the magical threshold much as Joseph Campbell describes and then you're off on ah on a hero's journey and then eventually um. 10:34.76 Laura Lee Rattle stops you come home back to this ordinary reality. 10:40.21 alan That's a ah, good place to stop Laura that was absolutely remarkable and I yeah I love the um word pictures. You're able to compose about the nature of the experience using the way in which you use the. Ecstatic postures and altered states of consciousness in such a remarkable and impressive variety of of ways. How can people perhaps get in touch with you. 11:08.21 Laura Lee The quiangga institute holds regular free and open sessions in this work and quiange is c u y a m and c. Oh I'm sorry I have to stop and spell it see you y a m u n g re. I see it all the time but I don't often spell it institute queer muga. It's just a place name and dot com and then we ah offer sessions. We also have a podcast of which you must be and come and be 1 of our guests as well as you know we're exploring this greater universe. And everything that I spoke about is just born of the direct experience of entering into this realm ancient people while you so much larger, a spectrum of our mental modalities than just the linear and rational thinking that we price today. 11:46.74 alan Um, amen. 11:50.33 alan Absolutely absolutely well that. 12:05.00 Laura Lee And so when we open that Bandwidth of life becomes Juicier richer more exciting and um and and quite deep. 12:14.52 alan It does it really does and it's ah rather remarkable. Um I know being an archaeologist anthropologist and working on the comparative religion in rock art spheres. It's endlessly engaging as I call it. Vis-a-vis the experiences I have with rock art and I'm sure the same holds for your kind of work. So what a blessing it is to have you Laura and thanks so much for honoring this platform and sharing your enthusiasm. 12:39.30 Laura Lee The clear. 12:47.97 Laura Lee Um, thanks so much Ellen it's been a pleasure. 12:50.20 alan See you next week see a gang on the Flip-flop God bless.