00:00.00 kinkella Hello and welcome back to the pseudo archeology podcast episode 140 and we are going to wrap up the flint dibble presentation with Graham Hancock as part of the Joe Rogan podcast which I really had a good time listening to. Um, the last bits here were almost done just sort of looking at how the show went down um near the end we just had discussed the alignments you know and then onwards I I guess Graham's last point he did this numerology thing which was just. Again, just nonsensical like oh these numbers add up to this with 99% ah exact in this like so what it's just again, it's just mathematical, it's it's those same old mathematical tricks where you're like where you'll see him online where it's like. Add one to your age and divide by 5 what do you get right? It's that same it's that same setup and flint did a great job. He used the number 4 to 28 just for the weed reference and then went through it and he's like oh and that predicts it with 99% angry I thought that was really hilarious. Good for him for having that one in his back pocket ready to go I thought that was really funny and made just Graham Hancock look like a tool in a in a really um, respectful way funnily enough and then finally um, the end I thought they ended all 3 of them. 01:32.95 kinkella Really strong. They they sort of did a plea for archaeology departments right? like because the funding for archeology departments has gotten pretty dismal archeology departments have been closing you know archeology excavations and digs have been narrowing. They're just the funding's just not there right? and flint totally knows this. Joe Rogan was totally shocked right? He was like oh my god what they like why would they close the archeology department all of them. Ah god give Graham Hancock his credit. He was totally all 3 of them were were like pro archeology they were like man you know we we want to keep doing this. You know? ah. How can we possibly stop the study of the greatest questions of all time like where are we from? you know that that was great and then I do have to say right at the end. Um they they each you know? um. Graham and flint got to kind of wrap up and flint. Um also did another little commercial for um Youtube channels he he showed a slide of like um archeology Youtube channels and he had about 20 of them on there and then he showed another slide. 02:48.23 kinkella For real archeology podcasts and he had about 20 of them on there and guess what friends I was on there so I was on the the Youtube side Kingin Kela teaches archeology. My Youtube channel was on there made me feel so good I'd just like to again. Thank ah, thanks to. So flint that was so nice to include me on there and on the other side when they showed the podcast this very podcast listeners. That's right, we're in it. The suudor archeology podcast was was on the list of podcasts and and also the other one I'm on the um sharen podcast was on there too that the apn was was. Very well represented on his ah list of podcast shows. So I that really jazzed me. You know to be like oh my god my stuff although it was only on for a moment right? I'm like ah I made the Joe Rokin podcast or you know just for just for a minute. Like just for just for 5 seconds that I thought that was just that that really that really made my day and and that was why I was getting all those um like Twitter announcements or whatever because because people were liking all the all the like um. Youtube channels and and podcasts that were that were on there and I was getting some you know I was getting some traction man so that was just that was just great and and of course they all they ended it with you know we should invest sort of invest in our future. Um. 04:22.20 kinkella Because that's what societies tend to not do when they start to fall apart. So that's how the podcast ended it was sort of a fascinating romp I recommend that all you guys just check it out just listen to it. You don't have to listen to all four and a half hours but listen to it for a while you know. It's fun. It's a real view into how pseudo archeologists argue what they talk about how they just blather on about stuff. That's obviously fake and they they just you know that kind of their train just rolls forward. You know and and kind of a masterclass that flint gives in staying cool and just stick into your facts and um, just not not trying to um debunk I thought he was really smart that he didn't sit there and just debunk trying to debunk like every point because it would have been impossible because. Every moment is just ah, silliness that comes out of Graham Hancock's Mouth. You know you can't you're just gonna fall into a tunnel of doom and gloom if you're like wait wait wait I'm here to debunk point number 56 like then 50 is like no no no and you just have to go with your own story of. Of facts and truth. 05:42.42 kinkella And with that I have 1 more thing to talk about actually flint also wrote an article as to why he was appearing on the Joe Rogan podcast in the first place this comes out in sapiens. It's only like a day or 2 old and. I thought that was really great as I brought up at the top of this podcast. Unfortunately a lot of academics were given flint some tough times on this. You know this idea of like oh you shouldn't platform these people oh give me a break right. Flint was I thought I thought so brave and forward thinking doing this, you know again, good for him like like what do you mean Well he's going to what accidentally platform Graham Hancock trust me Graham Hadcock already has the platform. We've lost my friends right? Suud archeology has one so it's. It behooves us to to get on any platform we can right? if if anybody should be bummed about doing the platforming. It's the Graham Hancock platformed flint dibble so the more we can be platformed the better. Um, in the article that. Flint wrote he wrote one part that I really really liked. He just so went over his whole thought process behind it. You know and um, he says here and I'll quote him right here he says quote still I'm appearing because Rogan's podcast throws an audience in the tens of millions 07:11.75 kinkella If scholars want to curb the spread of misinformation we need to stop just talking amongst ourselves or to audiences of like minded people. Absolutely right? Flint is exactly right? That's it we have to reach out to the other. Audiences to you know what? I like to call the rest of the world. You know we we must do that we must talk normally jargon free. We we want to make archeology seem fascinating and exciting. If. You do super fascinating stuff that seems kind of Indiana Jonesy well talk about it because that's freaking great and people love it. Um I think flint also did an excellent job of talking about something that could seem super banal seeds right? Ancient old. Burned up seeds and did a fantastic job because he was passionate right? So that's what we need in this world. We need passionate real archeologists who are ready to talk to the general public and are fearless. And with that my friends please do that and I'll see you next time.