00:00.00 heritagevoices Welcome to heritage voices episode 77 I'm Jessica yu quinto and I'm your host and today we are talking about eshtoke gnna somi cka the human beings of Texas before we begin I'd like to honor and acknowledge that the lands I'm recording on today are part of the noch or ut people's treaty lands. The danta and the ancestral pueblo in Homeland and today we have chairman waanman see us on the show and Mr Chairman if you'd like to introduce yourself right. 00:28.68 juan My name is one Monia on 1 beneath the Monthsia I'm named after both my grandfathers and just because my name is spanish doesn't you know necessarily make me mexican national I was born in Texas and. So or like 7 other generations before me from New Mexico to to Texas and ah so that's um and you can just call me one. So um, but you know we've um. 00:59.76 heritagevoices Um. 01:05.66 juan I graduated from one of the worst schools that I think about for for pi for the fossil fuels at Texas Tech University and degree in political science and I also have a certification from incarned word. Um, university in San Antonio and ah, a lot of of what I've done and mostly in behavioral studies and I worked a lot with archaeologists and anthropologists and looking at sociology. 12 hours from getting my masters and which I think sometimes in my in my own way I think it's futile because unless you got the paper nobody wants to listen to you but what? um what I have to say is that that comes from um, a lot from oral histories and. 02:04.44 juan My my own research almost like 38 years of research for um, you know trying to to validate my grandfather's words my grandmother's words and trying to relocate. The lands out were hours and along the rio grande and all the way up into into the canyons of of ah of the panhandle. There's. 02:38.56 juan Even a place up in Colorado in El Campo or campo and called cariso canyon so I mean that says a lot and and some of the research that that I've done other peoples have done which a lot of times has been done by non-natives and. Been done by people who are not really aware of of the presence of the native people in Texas to the for the longest time I would tell them that I was a native from a native original person of Texas they would tell me I yeah. They didn't know that there were any indians in Texas and it's funny. It's funny that that we hear that all the time. So I'm um, ah at a point where I need to um, just make sure that the history is being told correctly because it's been romanticized a lot by those who have. 03:23.42 heritagevoices Okay. 03:37.00 juan Discovered that they do have and in some indigeneity and and in in in their bloodline and so I work on trying to make sure that everybody understands the sacred sites in the history There's just not 1 sacred site and it's not just in 1 place. Um, a lot of a lot of those sacred sites were destroyed and and misnamed like Devil's river and and the devil's watering hole and they named them because they were sacred to our to us and of course they consider us to be the. The wild indians of Texas and because we didn't stay in in the missions they brought in know they displaced a lot lot a lot of tribes tribes out of Mexico and brought them in here and we're not. Call a dean speakers. So this is part of my my my disclaimer to doing bio. Um, um, a bio but myself that were not quoted tech and speakers. So I just want to let you know that? Ah i. 04:49.80 juan I have done a extensive research research on lot of this things. We do have the information in the documents and we're not romanticizing a lot of the stuff that that it's been romanticized in the past and um, as far as I know. You know we've always been um for the human beings and we stood our ground for almost a year and a half we occupied some land down in South Texas protect ah a grave site and um. 05:27.76 juan And clearly took a while to make people realize that there had been 28 laws had been had been um, abolished by the homeland security to build the wall and those still. 05:47.35 juan Those those losses still are still waived there. They haven't been rescinded and and I think that they're taking advantage of them in in some of the and some of the counties for some of the um. 06:05.39 juan So-called Science that's going on there and and some of the gentrification that's been going on but there are stories about those areas and and I think it's just a matter of trying to get the history together for what's going on but when they waved 28 of the environmental lot. Well. 26 of the environmental laws and then they waived the Native American Grace Protection Repatriation act and also the American Indian Religious Freedom act it put us in a put us in a very strange position of trying to protect the lands. And and I believe in protecting The lands is how we're going to abolish the whole mentality of tribal erasure of this country. Um through you know blood Quantum and through all of that and the only way we can do it is maintaining our teachings and. If You don't know those sacred Sites. You may not know the teachings and if you don't know your language you may not know the sacred sites. So um, that's why I am That's a little too long too still but for a bio but there's a lot more. 07:17.35 heritagevoices Ah, no, it's great. Yeah, you got to start it on lots of topics. Um I also just want to throw in here a thank you to Anne Cuss of the world monuments fund who connected us. 07:19.76 juan Go. There's a so much more. 07:30.51 juan Yes. 07:32.59 heritagevoices Ah, world monuments fund added garcia pasture which we'll be talking about to the 2022 world monuments watch and that was ah nominated by Cindy Cochrane so yeah so very excited to have you on the show. Ah, you know Anne has been talking about having you on for for quite a while now. So I'm glad that we're we're finally connected. 07:55.25 juan Um, yes, thank you I've had to I've had to jump a lot of hurdles just to to to be able to bring some of these stories to light and um and and not. 07:58.56 heritagevoices All right? Okay, um. 08:13.61 juan And not feel like I'm romanticizing the culture in any way because I I feel like um even people of their own of their own tribal descent have ah have a tendency to appropriate their own culture and there's always some kind some sort of a. Traditional manner of dealing with our with our decision making and a lot of times people have a hard time with traditional councils you know and that's been the fact all along, go ahead and I'm sorry. 08:47.46 heritagevoices Oh no, Um, yeah, so I guess to get us started. Um, since there's there's so many different directions. We could go so many interesting things to talk about but let's start with um how you got into. Um, this type of work and these efforts um I'm sure it's I'm sure it's ah a longer journey. Um, you know since you're tribal Chairman but um, but yeah, well, we'll start there and you can you can go with that where you think is best. Yeah. 09:19.67 juan I ah I started it? No, it's I don't know maybe no's just like really at six months years ah six months that I mean they say that they were singing songs to me my grandma would bring. Of the eldest to sing songs to me when I was six months old and I think a lot of that kind of hung on to me and stayed with me and um, but I think the biggest part of it is watching how. 09:53.80 juan How distant the civil rights movement was for me when growing up watching it on Tv that it seemed like it was a totally different other land because we were so economically ah and some we were economically despaired from. From what was going on and and traveling and I was I was just ah this this the son the son of of a mom who had come from a large family who were migrants. And from a father who was a cowboy working the ranches in South Texas and um so our and my dad was deaf and so we had to and he lost his hearing from. And accident he had when I was a year and a half so um knowing that and knowing that my dad was such a ambitious person and my mom was there for him just about all the time it helped a little bit not saying that they were the. You know the perfect people but you know they were they were good people and they helped a lot of people and gave them homes and stuff and and I recognized that there was ah a trend that was going on and I started asking questions of. 11:24.39 juan Of them and my grandfather and my grandmother so a lot of that a lot of that I started recording and I think that once I got into got out of high school got into college I decided I was gonna try and discredit a lot of those. Stories to see if they were true and finding out that they they were all true. It just took a lot a lot a lot of time like the whole story about my grandfather telling us to go and get our lands back in done in around the. And Penitas which is in Hidalgo County um and then finding out that that land ran on both sides of the river and that they he didn't they didn't understand that. Process of visas and all that green cards. But he was born on this side of the river and so was my grandma because Brownsville used to not be called Brownsville until after it became state. Um. And that's the same thing with a lot of the cities that are on on the United States side now they used to have the same names like rain no cell was called rainno sign mutta mos was calledmata mors on both sides just like laredo is coloradodo and then weville laredo on the other side and and of course. 12:54.52 juan I I started looking into this because in 1928 I believe they changed the um they changed the whole um the city of what used to be be called cariso. Down there and and change it to saatta texts as after Antonius Saatta who was um, the first well he was he was the sabaista that we have you know down up in the river he fought? um for the republic under the flag of the republic of the rio grande which later. Was deemed treasonous by the by the Texas government and um and their lands taken away because of that and um and but there were 30300 of our warriors that fought in that that we know of that is documented. And and of course Antonio Subatta being one of the guys that was was also carrica he was ah they called it. They called him greasy hat so because he wore the same hat and and he had a lot of from sweating on it. 14:11.77 juan But ah, it was just ah is those kind of things that started make me make me realize that there there was something there and then I started realizing that they were changing names to accommodate the set the settler mentality the colonizer mentality and. 14:31.27 juan And and our own people were also losing a lot of their culture because of the oppression of the language of spanish and which was the first oppressive language to us and um. And there was a lot of history. There. There's there's evidence up around Lake Lake Allen Henry of um, which is also a place where the picture of the Mothman prop. The mouthman is at which connects us to some of the prophecies that are even ongoing today. Um. But um, there's a picture of a um, one of the missions and where they were cutting off the feet in the hands of my ancestors to convert them or to get rid of them so they get out of the way so they could get it. 15:18.19 heritagevoices Yes. 15:25.63 juan At the environment and that's exactly what they continue to do today. Um with their sacrifice zones that they're setting up. Um, but the the dog but it's not a document. That's our documents that those are our files that is our bible and. 15:44.51 juan And of course you know because of people looking at us as not knowing anything they have a lot to learn about our science and how we survived and they found they would always find ways of demeaning us in in Texas. Um, and that's why. When the compression of pushing a lot of the tribes toward toward the plains and and even through the trell its here is a long walk trying to relocate the tribes just like they had done before with some of our young people. When they came in and separated the families by stealing the children and taking them to Mexico and teaching them spanish and um and and nawa which is the the language of the people in Mexico City um they would bring them back as interpreters and of course we. We found it really hard to accept them back in they would take them at when they were five or six years old at the age of age of 15 they bring them back and also you're looking at a ten year difference there and a lot of the people had already moved on and and moved away from the areas. But. They could speak they could speak the language so that was um, that was one of those things that we had. We had to understand that was happening to our people on this side of the river but now you know with the call the colonization of. 17:20.45 juan Howard the Wheeler Howard act of 1934 even a lot of our people distinguish mexican indian or american indian so that we buy into the colonization and the set the settler mentality and. And and and kind of discredit that ideals like those guys down there. They have no ceremonies you know, but we were we were like the buffer zone of what was happening further south and further north um, our we were. We've been if you look up history. You'll find that the cariso and comic rules were which is us the eshokkna were the people of the of the land and we were the people that lived on the peyote grounds which is another big. Factor in our probably you know survival is trying to protect those lands and knowing that this land the land is sacred because the medicine grows there. So. That's that's how I got into all of this realizing. Research that I had done myself just to make sure that our future generations understood that there's a history here and that history's important. It can't be you can't be um 18:52.19 juan Erased in any way and they're trying very hard to erase it so they can continue taking the resources of this land because five hundred and thirty years ago that's ah how long it's been now since this genocide's been going on in the Americas and. 19:10.29 juan And they came here to take all the resources so they took all the gold and took the silver took whatever riches they could and took them overseas. They exported them to europe and the Kings and queens and the barons and lords they all got their their that. Um, you know they got the riches and here we are five hundred and thirty years later and the same thing still happening. We're still exporting the resources the rich resources of this land overseas and. 19:47.75 juan And now. Ah what with these resources. It's really hampering human life and the environment and and it's not a question of of us protesting and it's not a question of us lobbying. It's a question of us. Ah. Protecting What we have what we have and ah and it's not because we own the land. We. We don't own the land. It's that the land owns us and we have to learn to respect that land that way and this is. Why I do what I do and and it gets rather exhausting but you know it's not a question of of it's ah it's a question of truly decolonizing ourselves from being puppet governments to to a larger government that. Um, does it doesn't really recognize or want to recognize even if you are federally recognized those tribes because we have no say we have no representation ah in this government and we're not.. We're not.. We're not the ones writing the laws. We didn't write the constitution. Um, So there's there's always that those things that people don't recognize the fact that we were never represented that we were. We were the people that were being sacrificed for for the riches of of a few of ah the plantation mentality. 21:19.31 juan That exist even today there's still a plantation mentality. Um, with with the the the whole thing with oh well, we don't want to you know pay minimum wage. We don't want to be There's the no economic disparity of. We. We want to be equitable and I mean they used to be. We want to be equal now they're using the word word. Equitable equitable equitable means to be fair and and they define what's fair and that's one of the reasons that I'm still in here and that's why um I want to change the narrative. Have ah a hashtag that I use a lot to says change the narrative hashtag change the narrative because when they passed the no protest law here in Texas I was there when they were voting on it and disrupted the vote and and basically because i. Don't believe that their idea of critical infrastructure is their derricks. Their oil wells and you know their terminals their l and g terminals or their oil terminals or their petrokim plants. I don't think or the pipelines I don't think that's critical infrastructure critical infrastructure is that the water the air and the land and the thing they're they're doing is you know they're they're charging for all of that some people talking about water security because I mean. 22:52.79 juan Now they want to desalinate the ocean take more water and why so they can continue to you know damage the damage the planet that we live on and then you got. There's scientists going around saying well we can go always go to Mars and invadeed I don't care what life forms there are that's what ellan must said they better watch shot cause we're coming and that's exactly what they did here five hundred and thirty years ago they came in here with a doctrine of discovery and they. Threw it in our faces and said you guys don't believe like we do. You don't look like I do so we're gonna get rid of you and that mentality's still there. You can see it in all the um, um, the racism that that still occurs in the south and. 23:45.22 heritagevoices That. 23:47.35 juan Especially right now along along the wall and with the l and gs that that you're trying to put up in Cameron County um you can see it with the people that that favor their their span span spaniard blood more than they do. Their native blood of these lands because they've been led to believe that you know being native is you know is not human. It's not godlike whatever god they believe in and and that makes it that makes it really difficult for um, for who we are. And trying to maintain our own traditions maintain our own um way of life because even though there's an american indian religious freedom act they they they had us buying into the whole thing that. Our way was a religion but it was a way of life. We lived that way. We had to learn to live with nature and there's um, a Youtube channel that the documentary that was directed by Karalina Caeso and David La De la rosas from Columbia and it's called teaching of the hands and I narrated it and it's one of our teachings about the about what what the hand means and what you can see in your hand. Um, because it's it's a it's a ba. It's a science and it's a. 25:21.69 juan Ah, numerology not on numerology but ah and arith arithmetical ariththemetical or mathematical sorry um sequence of things that that can that can happen. Um, the misinterpretations of a lot of our paintings. The the lot of the the new age Indians that have trying to reclaim their their their own blood without any teachings because Dna doesn't carry the teachings. It only carries the you know that. That that concentration of Dna but doesn't give you the teachings if you don't know who you are if you don't know what what nation you come from and that's one of the problems that we're running into um with the more. Conservative mentality of of people wanting to to be to be indigenous and I struggle with the word indigenous. But ah again, it's a catchall term. That's why we prefer to call ourselves eokok not because we are the um. The human the human beings of someisu and that means that we were from this we are from this land and and the evidence is there. The paintings are there and you can only interpret them with you know our language. Um, there's um, like. 26:57.83 juan Where we have the unification of the arrows dance. It's it's on the some of the medicine wheels you find denote our our harvest dance and all of that is is painted on the walls. Um the solstice site the heart the Equinox site. Paint rock you know everybody's trying to claim now it before nobody claimed it and been going out there for years. My grandfather would stop by there and drop tobacco and did I know because we I I would ask the questions why were we doing this. They knew all the plants I remember. Getting waterlogged while we were out there hoeing cotton and him handing me you know say the artissimia which is the white the white sage from this area and let me smell it and I was fine afterwards. And but see these things are all dying and and it's because of the contamination of the pollutants in the air. So that's why I'm here I mean that's why I continue to do what I'm doing I believe in in a. In in a better world I believe in our life ways I have faith in them I've seen them happen I've seen the rain come when we asked for it. Um, those things were left behind for us to to see and if you didn't know the language you didn't know what you're what you were. You're looking at. 28:33.60 juan If you didn't know the ways you didn't know what you had we had 16 of our our dear songs that were recorded and left behind our language is recorded in 1886 and there's a lot of research that I've done over the last forty years and just just on the tribe itself and and I and at this point a lot of the elders don't feel like we need to get the recognition from this government to be who we are. We don't need um some of them say we don't need a white man to tell us who we are. And that's exactly what they've been doing for a long time when they had all the mascot issues and um so when you know when you know the teachings and you know your ways you know that you have a value system and it's not based based on ideals. Of of a country of generic makeup and many of us still call the United States the United States of genericica because ah, everybody's a little confused and you know the bad thing about it is they become a. Absolve themselves from that confusion. They absolve themselves from any wrongdoing in the future. Um, the insurance companies insure them. Um, only if it's not a an act of god and I don't know and that's what drives me up to all. They talk about a god. 30:05.72 juan But then they use god to absolve themselves from any wrong doing like what's happening with what happened with Bbp and the ongoing fire that's out in the gulf of Mexico it was hurricane that to toy down so they said and. And now they they got a fire going on for 14 years out there and what did they say as well. It was an act god we're not responsible to clean it up so who's gonna clean up the mess man and now they're proposing to do the same thing to Mars you know in the universe. You know, get out there. The space around us already has enough garbage that they created it wasn't enough to pollute our beaches with their plastics now they're polluting the space with you know, debris up there and um. I think it's it's it's high time and we start recognizing what is sacred in our lives if money is what with what they trust in. Um, then let let everybody be let it everybody know that know money is their god so for us. You know, um, we hold the land sacred and because our people are buried. There. Our people come from there. Our creation story starts at Boca Chica the mouth of the river and um and we talk about how the creator when they came they went up the river and. 31:37.57 juan And started creating all these all these these thingsing the plants, the animals and then coming back down the rio gratin from the from the mountains started gathering all the the nice things of each one of the animals and put it in put the the. They put them in their hand and when they came at the end they took sand and they took some of the ocean and they clapped it together and they created first woman and and that's because you know they they were feeling. You know lonely by themselves here and so they created first woman and then creator left you know to finish the universe and um, still working on finishing the universe and so it'll be a ah while before. 32:33.37 juan Creator they come back over here and ah these are things that are important to us to understand how we are connected to each of the things that have been created. Um do that first woman and then what was left over creator took all of that and made first man. 32:53.46 juan So that's ah the way we I was told the story I thought it was funny but it gave us ah a better understanding of where we come from that we honor our mothers. We honor the women and we follow the mother's clans. 33:12.22 juan And and that was it that was important that that makes a ah big part of what my my prime directives are that I live by by my grandmother always telling me know who your people are you don't want to marry your cousin you know or um. My grandfather saying go find our lands get our lands back but he never told me that that that there was this huge land base that existed. Um I found I found the deeds to to some of the land that was given to the moncillas family. Um. And it's a lot of credit goes to you know my own family members and and relatives like Arturo Mania and a lot of them manias at least still live in South Texas I was a first generation born away from the Rio Grant but I was not. Left without it and without an understanding and a connection to the land that was there I mean because the land ran all the way up into the canyons palo duro and and all the way up into carisso canyon um, my grandfather was. 34:29.14 juan He made what and he came from the line of Cowboys working the longhorns. My dad did too and my mom was the one of the middle when she was actually the middle child of 13 kids and. And it was um and they were good people. They were always giving and I'm not saying that they were great and but they were good. None of us are that great, but they were good people and ah. And that's part of the land that exist now it's bad. It's really bad that we we have to criminalize you know anything that happens because they don't we don't see or accept. The the invading religions that came in here and they call themselves missionaries and but they don't know exactly what those missionaries do to us when they come in and and I think for a long time that was a lot of the problems. We have had have been side effects or byproducts of of a society that doesn't care what really happens to us and um and they and they absolve themselves from that. That's the whole thing. There's a self absolution. 36:00.42 juan They they forgive themselves for any wrongdoing that they've done and you know that's um, one of the things that that I write about I've got 2 small books that I've published and and one of them's called so your Grandma's an indian and you don't like controversy. And the other one's called just the sounds of oppression and and I think that if you listen very carefully to the laws that are being made like the no protest law that was passed in Texas you can hear the sounds of oppression you can hear where it's all about. You know they're got the money and how everything is now. Yeah, you know you had to pay for air. You had to pay for water you had to pay for land that wasn't the the way here you know you shared the land you you shared the water kept the water clean you knew where the the clean waters. The spring waters were at and and you shared them and and of course the air was always clean. One of the things I tell people is that they have to recognize the fact that they are. Um, you know, 70% water. All of us are and when we when we cross over you know, go back to the stars we say that that water becomes part of this environment. 37:36.21 juan So and our bodies they wither and they decay and become part of the land. So the the last breath you take you know is put out into the into the into the um. 37:54.20 juan Into the atmosphere. So when we breathe and and we we Breathe. We're breathing our ancestor when we drink the water or bathe in that water we're bathing in our ancestors and when we. Partake from food that is growing in the in in the land are we're being nourished by our by our ancestors and that's the connection that we have is understanding that connectedness and the relationship that we have with not just not just with each of these animals with each of these plants. But also with you know the land itself the Earth itself and that's why we all call him mother Earth you know or grandmother earth and because it's um, let's a um, distinct connection that we never lose it. Excuse me that we never lose it from because we we accept the fact that we're part of it and and that's what I Why we always say Ah, it's not that we own the land. It's the land owns us it's at the the water that that we're polluting and using to. 39:08.23 juan Pollute the land with um the fracking that goes on I mean that was predicted four thousand years ago there's a picture of it at the paintings down in Seminole Canyon but again, they've romanticized that whole concept. Because they don't they don't they don't think any further than that than their nose They don't see any further than that they see that there is a um, a dollar a dollar sign and that's all it exists because even time now is being sold if you ever use the the. You ever use the term night time is money time is money you know that's another one. It's just you know it's it sounds very It's it's very It's a very serious situation that we're in um, when people want to um. 39:48.83 heritagevoices Um. 40:03.69 juan Say that things like plastics ah that that when a country says um like Saudi Arabia says plastics is um, is necessary. We need it to survive. Um. 40:21.70 juan But five hundred and thirty years ago when they landed on these lands There was no plastic and so I don't know I mean we we've we've learned to survive and they the creator give us and give us a science that was very simple to to. To balance out who we were but we've taken that that that science and and created created a monstrosity in in this in these industries and Texas l and g and rio grand l and g is exactly what they want they're doing right now. By even digging digging up while digging up our graves. That's the other prime directive I have 3 prime directives that I live by the other one was from um, an interview that was done with one of my great. Great. Great relatives greatre grandfather his name was manu colossos and they're trying to build a railroad back in 71 and they went looking for the carisos because they found this massive graveside in Devil's river in um and Val Verti County and and there it it says he asked the I guess it's the corps of engineer the captain his name was hawkins. He ask asks him. He says? um so what are you gonna do with my people. 41:52.59 juan And the guy said well we're gonna to move him because we got to build the railroad through here and he very seriously looks at him and says now my people will die by another. So every time you're digging up 1 of our people again, you're killing us again. You're that's the genocide that is ongoing and that's what exactly is happening at. At places like with the Texas l and g and the rio grand l and g where they both have um, bought into the into the garcia pasture which is the monument that we've put um the world monument foundation is is it. Is watching and trying to stop this madness of of of this exporting all these resources out because um totel out of France is also wants to get part of this. Um. L and g for for France and France has a strict no fracking and no fossil fuels policy. You'll see it during the olympics because it's gonna be. They're working at it trying to make it plastic free. The first olympics to be plastic, free and. And I think that because of some of our efforts and and the world monument fund and some of the other groups that have been involved with us in trying to fight this just making a ah big big. big um 43:28.20 juan You know dent in what goes on over there. So the United States can go there representing itself plastic free that would be great. You know, but ah I doubted. That's gonna happen. Um, but again, ah, it's um, they're got to see how pasture is 32 village site that was surveyed back. Back in the 20 s 1920 s by some guy named andersontsanderson and he was looting the place and selling a lot of the artifacts to to museums. So a lot of the museums have some of our artifacts and we liked him back. Um. 44:07.66 juan The whi museum at one time said had like 120 of our infant remains and there were babies that were wrapped in rabbit. Rabbit for blankets and and they were selling them on ebay 1 time and which to me was the other reason that I just I just I saw that there was no humanity in in this science. And there was no humanity about giving life to the people and they were still practicing. You know the whole doctrine of discovery and so it it hurts me to know that these things happen and um. 45:02.90 juan And I think that I was taught that you know the battlegrounds have changed this no longer. You know the bullets and the guns and the bows and arrows and but the battlegrounds have changed to be the court courtrooms. Not just in this country but worldwide and to take these invading countries that came into our lands and hold them accountable for what they've done and and hopefully those those countries will hold this country accountable for what it continues to do. Genocide that it's It's doing the tribal erasure the cultural erasure. Um I Saw some guy the other day had a t-shirt that said that the cancel culture. Stole this country him calling like home. My God I Can't believe these people um but the thing is that it goes further than that is it's the day in their mind think they own stuff and they don't own it. Um. 46:14.60 juan We're only part of it part of this creation and we have to learn to be a part of it The creator they they made sure that we understood that at least that that teaching was given to us I don't know where they're teaching when that they don't recall that anymore, but it's all about you know. Divide and conquer kind of mentality they have is it. There's a there's power in in in killing people and I don't see that and especially the way that they do things and the way they want to continue ah seeing these things. But there's a lot of history involved here and the peyote grounds are are big part of where we lived on both sides of that River Ah, and we've that and there's been a. Constant of take take take take take and not putting anything back but the creator the creator put that medicine in that place you know and that's where the creator put it and that's why that the medicine has the strength that it has. For for a lot of us, especially our people. Um, and I think that a lot of our own people have don't understand just you know the basic sciences of of. 47:43.50 juan Of the creation and how it happened Um, there's a a book out is called call the um destroying Dogma that was a lot of excerpts after binded lo passed away a lot of his excerpts put into that book. But it's called destroying Dogma and one of the biggest things that he would talk about was that he would talk about why was it our creation story important only the one that was written in the bible and and basically again is that we were not considered to be human beings and. Even though we told them over and over I mean there's I mean even the word homanos down here means humans in Spanish and ah but they they that didn't even dawn on them. They just called no Whomanos and. 48:39.55 juan And it just became a a name of ah of a group of natives that were there but it was us. We're the eshok not that's what eshtokna means means a human being and and we get and maybe anybody put somi se onto it that the human beings. Of this area this this land of Texas that's what we call Texas now but we didn't have words for prayer we had to put several words together to say prayer. So you know we say chop piboum that's means a. um' throwing my voice out and because it's part of singing. Um and it's also you know we say shot ma while I'm singing the voice and Gennya Bess which means you know. look into my look into my wishes into my desires. What I'm looking at um so it was it was ah it was a connection to to that to the to that inner person of understanding our presence on this earth and our responsibility to it. And we only took what we had. We were very we were migratory people went up and down the river so you'll find villages all along the rivers and that's becoming very evident now because of our relationship with the customs and border patrol people and what Dave. 50:13.22 juan What they're trying to to do and trying to build this this nuisance that they call a border wall. It's not even at the border because the border is right in the middle of the river and of course hears how how smart their science is that. That river meanders and it moves and it leaves Oxbo lakes and but that that but that boundary changes all the time. 50:47.24 juan And I think that that's why we um, want to want to make sure that people understand that that there was a simple science here involved in what was going on because we understood and we had that relationship with the environment and. The first thing it was to get rid of us then they could get into they could get to the environment the first um one of the first explorations into Texas was by 1 of the explorers called chamuskado and he um he came in and. 51:21.79 juan Ran into 1 saetta into Quis Ben Eve Quis been eve yeah is comes from our language which means red elk and he was the they the plans that he had were at pe peco's Pueblo. And but which is on this side of the the sangre crystal mountains and that's why you know we know we have a word for elk. Word for all this and. But ques means read in our language and I think that and beniva means help and and that tells you that where we were at where we lived and and they let this guy chamuscado through. Ah. Ah, while goose chased through the mountains of the davis and the delawares because they didn't want to show him where all the easy pass was and where all the water was so it took them almost almost a year to get back to to Mexico and. But but by then he had taken over. He had already killed like over 3400 buffalo and taken as much of the freshwater pearls that he could find I mean they they even say in the in in the in the in the research that. 52:56.12 juan They were. The pearls were freshwater pearls and the quality was not at the best but it was still a pearl and you're going like wow these guys are something else and they'll find any way to to degrade the population to degrade the. Teachings of the land and I think that that still continues today by these guys going around digging up paint rock and having a so-called native people going in there and and pretending that they know what they're talking about and and they don't and and and the thing is that. They had any connection to those relatives. They'd leave them alone and but again you know and it's not a superstitious thing. It's ah it's just a question of our people need to rest in peace as well. Like Davy Crockett does and you know Bunchoa does and all those guys. So but there they don't care about. They just dig us on up build a pipeline right through it. 54:10.40 juan Um, any have I let's anything else yet and that was there quite a bit there. 54:16.63 heritagevoices Um, yeah I was going to say I think we just recorded pretty much the whole episode. Um, so um, and so basically like when they do that edits they'll they'll put in a couple breaks in there. 54:21.79 juan Okay, sorry. 54:32.10 juan Okay. 54:34.12 heritagevoices Um, I'll just record something. Um, that says like we're we're going to a break and then oh we came back? Um, so we're already at like 55 um, so I guess let's just say um yeah, is there anything else. That you wanted to make sure we get to like anything maybe specific about um Garcia pasture like if there's any like background. Um that that you want to give so our listeners will will understand um all of that situation. Better. So. 55:09.44 juan Well I think that we what we need to need to do is and as I've been saying this for a couple of years now we have to really go after some of the local governments and for for their for their lack of business knowledge and and yeah of course scientific. 55:30.44 juan Um, data. That's been offered to them I think one time they were talking about. Ah the Ferc was was talking about how um how much pollutants and particulates were going to go into the air. From just 1 project. They weren't looking at that that town there were 3 projects and so but they're still not I think they're only looking at at 1 project at a time and they're saying well they're they're they're they qualify into the Epa. But when you take both of those projects together. It's out of wck and I mean they're. Putting a lot of pollutants into the air. There's gonna be there's there's ah, a high threat of them exploding because of Spacex being there and what happened with this last rocket and of course you know to to get their their monies. They. They weren't honest with their proposal and said that the blaststone would only be like three miles and ended up being like 6 or 7 eight miles and and it was it was a lot of damage to and right after that there was a tornado on top of that and um, and. Couple of children died and and 1 1 1 gentleman and then there were there were kids that were lost for a while they didn't know where they were because the tornado took them off um or they couldn't find them in the rubbage and but nobody talks about these things and that tornado was only about. 57:04.63 juan 2 2 to three miles away from esia pasture so the ancestors themselves are really speaking out and and showing that they're they're not happy with what's going on down there but you know of course yeah their god is more important than human life and. In the sense of so they're ready to continue sacrificing human people to to get whatever they need to gentrify the human being they could they call it gentrification or urbanization. Whatever you're going to call it. But it's actually gentrifying the humans. In in those areas because the mom and pops restaurants that are so important in that area that because it's a tourist area um are going to lose a lot of a lot of funding I think that the people that are making these decisions economically are um and market market wise they're. They're being handed a dangling carrot and everybody's trying to get take a bite out of the carrot and they're going to find out that the carrot's made out of plastic because it's nothing but lies anyway coming from from the space x and from the you know from next decade and. The the group of investors for Texas l and g these guys they they're using marketing like it's important. Um, when even some of the so-called environmentalist groups in the state. 58:39.73 juan Are saying that they they they they um, support carbon capturing sequestration and in in the long run they're they they don't even know if it's proven. They only every every time they've had a carbon setation plant. Blow up some higher on some somehow it's happened to it and and they want to set another one up. That's go to be huge one of the biggest ones in the world done in in ah with the rio grande yeah l and g and that's how they sold this whole project. To the administration because they thought that this was going to cut down on pollutants. But they're taking I don't know and it's a like sixteen tons of of gigatons and gigatons of of ah carbon diox out of the air putting it into the ground. And ah, but the ratio is not consistent with what is being put out but of seal 2 by the rest of the population and also by the fracking that's going on right now because we have so many fracking fires in Permian Basin and now the. Eagle Ford shells started back up. You know, fracking again and with all that pollution going into the air 16 megatons compared to 600 that's not I don't think that's a conducive ratio to to make a decision to let them have. 01:00:13.80 juan You know that I think what they need to do is just stop. Um, the the stop from having human beings be collateral damage and let's let the ah the industry be the collateral damage that they need to shut down. They need to stop them. 01:00:33.74 juan And and because they're they're destroying history they're destroying and that's why in Texas they they're just doing away with any kind of history that that holds them accountable for their stupidity and for their ignorance and for their genocide and um. They they just want to maintain a ah very ignorant society in Texas and that has no responsibility has no accountability to their actions and and as long as the the history is told by them. 01:01:10.45 juan Who write the laws again, we don't have any representation because Texas that I know of has no natives on in their congress. 01:01:25.10 heritagevoices So if somebody is interested in supporting you know all of the efforts that you mentioned is there a place for them to go in order to do that. 01:01:35.49 juan We have a you can go to our website. We. We do have ah it. It's a kind of carricoomanation.com and because it looks like it'll say like don't do. When you look at it. You think it's insane donation but it's Cariso comicru nation and but um dot com and there's a where you can put money there for to if you want to help us out what we're doing is I just bought another. 01:02:02.27 heritagevoices Um. 01:02:14.00 juan Um, I just closed out on ah on a deal for the tribe on on some five point five acres in in Cameron County that's that's now we have eleven acres there and what I'm doing is I'm trying to. Block them from bringing in the rio bravo pipeline which is embridge sponsored so we can get enough land along that side with is a sacred side Loma Alta is there. There was an archeological site there found they had found. Some some burials in that area and they've been maintained and protected one of them became a is a private wildlife refuge and and we're just down the street from it where we we we acquired the land and that land's gonna be. Either become a spiritual center or an information center of some kind where we're able to um, maintain some kind of agricultural and we're trying to buy more of the land down there so that we can continue to stop this block tip to block this pipeline from coming through. 01:03:28.93 juan It'll it'll take a while for them to deal with us even though they they they do believe in horizontal fracking. But we ain't moving because it's our land and it'll be actually quote unquote our land colonized way because we'll own them. Um. There's another I think thirteen acres that being offered right now for like $47000 and I sure would love to to get that la because it's that one those those lines are right on the path of the of the pipeline. There's another pipeline that came through there. We were the only ones fighting at the time nobody was listening to us nobody listens to what's going on in Texas um, because ah court according to everybody. Well, you're not federally recognized kind of attitude. Um, which is ah a very colonized settler mentaly and um and. I guess we're gonna be the the wild indians we might as well be the wild indians and maintain our our sovereignty by being by holding on to and fighting them on their courts and and and whatever it takes to to keep them from destroying our sacred sites. And and we're gonna protect our ancestors as well and that's what we're we're we're doing right now and but be nice to be able to buy some all as much of that land there as possible and turn it into the first native american or first. 01:05:05.70 juan Native original peoples um university in Texas that would freak out at every texan. 01:05:10.79 heritagevoices Um. 01:05:15.80 heritagevoices Wow. Okay, so we will. We'll put a link to that donate page in the show notes. So Anyone that's interested in donating and supporting that effort to purchase land and and fight oil and gas development on Sacred Lands. You can go there and make your donation. Um, and we'll have some other. Links in there as well. But yeah I Just want to say? Thank you so much for for taking so much time out to talk to me about these important topics and all of the the important efforts that you guys are are working on to protect. You know this land. So Thank you. 01:05:45.75 juan Well I just want to I just want to give a shout out to you know to the world monument fund foundation and and also to Anne Cuss and the magnum foundation for helping us out in every way they possibly can and. Because I mean it's important. it's it's made ah it's made a big statement about about how we care for our lands and our ancestors here. So I do appreciate that now we can just sell it sell it to the to the non non business people. That are politicians that are not politicians of the area would be fine. So I think that's my other ways just to kind of make them realize how bad of a bad, a bad venture. This is to build those those um those places there. 01:06:43.23 heritagevoices Um, all right? Well thank you. 01:06:45.86 juan Well thank you I Appreciate you.