00:00.00 archpodnet Okay, and we are back. So I I just you know I want to talk about differences between the southwest and the midwest um, you know New Mexico Texas versus Minnesota. And Wisconsin but also you mentioned earlier you know your field schools and other work in Peru and Massachusetts. So um, yeah, could you could you maybe touch a little bit on what it's been like working in in all those. Different places and what makes the southwest so wild. 00:39.36 Anastasia Walhovd I sure um, let's say my field school I had two field schools which is I think kind of unique among onteologists I me just do one but let's see I did my first field school was in Peru it was it was through. Excuse me. Um it was through my college. Um and it was the San Jose de motto archeological field school in oh what is this date now. Was in the Hecaippeca Valley um and a lot of people think of archaeology in peru they think of oh the andes and Machu Picchu and all that and this was actually this was in the desert it was in the northern desert of Peru um, and I had a very lovely time. The sand there is so fine. I thought I had gotten like a really wonderful tan in my field school. Um, and then I took um we worked we worked six days a week in our field school and um, so once I got back to the us I took 2 showers to consecutive showers. 01:37.39 archpodnet Ah. 01:53.36 Anastasia Walhovd Showers I say one day after the other and my tan washed off and I think all the same just that was embedded in my skin disappeared it like oh man I thought I had such a gift tan. Um, not the case. But um, yeah, so that that was a really interesting field school. We were working it was in. Site it was located. It was actually a burial site and I think that was very very different because like here I would never I wouldn't want to do do any burial sites. It's like no don't no stay away a very ken like I don't want I can't we don't want to do this please leave these people be but in Peru. Um, there's not really that stigma around it and I kind of think about that a lot and like you know, but we have such different concepts of of you know what? what of death and what it means to be resting and there there weren't too seem of any qualms about it there but that was a really interesting site of. Because it was among some wakas which are like p sites temporal sites wakas are like little pyramids and then there was ah burials and other archeological material nearby and that's where a lot of our archaeological efforts were directed as well as there is a so. Archaeological site on top of a very nearby like a little I don't know if you call it a mountain range actually but you had it really hike up that one that was found with a difficult site to go to but it was very interesting because there was definitely archaeological material up there. Um. But it was so far away from any source of water anything like that you would have had to hike up a mountain essentially in order to live up there full time and so it was kind of this little puzzle of like oh gosh like this really is a very practical place to be but so I did my field school there um in college and then um. I think the really interesting field tool that I did was actually right in http://harvardyard so I went to I went to Harvard college and they have I believe they're still they are still doing it. They have what they called the Harvard yard archeological project. Um, and they do. You know Harvard is been around for a long time and so they just do archeology right? there in http://harvardyard. Um, and I'm not quite sure where they've moved on to now. But when I was in school they were ah they had been directing their efforts towards finding what was what is known as the indian college and the indian college was the very first rick building in North America actually or no at Harvard College excuse me the very first brick building in Harvard college but it was also the location of the very first printing press in North America um which is. 04:45.10 Anastasia Walhovd Pretty exciting and not the year that I did it but in previous years they'd actually been able to find print type for that had matched one of the very first books I actually I think it is the very first book that was ever printed in the United States is is a bible but translated into the wapanoc language and they had found I believe an o from from the typeset that had matched that the set that was in my bible. So from that book. So I thought that was really interesting but so that was my my ah my other field school experience. And that was really I think that was kind of a formative understanding of indigenous archeology too as well or just I shouldn't say indigenous archaeology because there wasn't necessarily a lot of indigenous people working on that project I was one of them but like I was in state of but um. Was definitely like a lot of consultation for um, indigenous communities on that project and I think that was really interesting to see and learn more about and you know like what were their concerns about that and that same space where we had been doing. Archeology um, the harvard was very insistent. The school itself was very insistent about like you know. Okay, you do archeology here. But then you need to you know, make sure you close up the hole. We can't have anyone wandering around the yard and falling in afterwards. So we had to be very diligent about making sure. 06:10.90 archpodnet C. 06:19.59 Anastasia Walhovd Lawn was manicured and then put back in place so they could kind of have you know? good. Great nice green sod laid down for the students but the interesting part was that space where we were digging was also used as a space for bringing attention to the indian college so there was ah there's a plaque nearby um ah Matthews Hall that talks a little bit about it and but they're more so than the I remember while I was in college we had a um we had a couple of events in that area during what we now call indigenous people's day. But. Back when it was still called Columbus day we would hold the vigil there and sort of communicate why we didn't think that was you know appropriate to be celebrating him and it was kind of used as that communal space of like bringing attention to indigenous issues related to Harvard or just indigenous issues and. Um, all but like particularly being aware that yes, we're on moppingoff land and like we want to be acknowledging and and respecting these people and you know they these are the people who had gone to the indian school to the indian school at Harvard and essentially didn't have a great time because most of them did not. Actually none of them survived. Um, the only one who actually managed to get a degree died shortly before he received it which is rather tragic and then it's kind of ah a tragedy that yeah it was essentially it was a school to proselytize to indigenous communities. It was. 07:40.86 archpodnet Jesus first. 07:54.98 Anastasia Walhovd It was. You know you were learning about. Um you know, being being a christian and that sort of stuff so that they could go back to their indigenous communities and essentially help to convert them. So it's a very sensitive and subject and you know it's just very. Um, you know it. It was something that a lot of the descendant communities really wanted to be a part of in order just to communicate you know what they felt about it and they're interested it and like trying to communicate the nuance that comes with that as well of like you know these you know did they really want to do this or were they pressured into this. And you know what did it mean to to you know, be going into this outside of their home but or outside of well is their land but outside of essentially the safety of their communities and moving into the white man's world at Harvard College in order to learn about it and. Um, and it's ah it's a very I think that's when I I think going back I know you would ask me this earlier but I was kind of starting to think really critically about like okay, how do you do archeology and and honor all the different stories and perspectives that come with. Ah, these like really nuanced and difficult and sometimes really sad and tragic um histories that come out of these archeological sites and thinking about that really really critically and really sensitively and like trying to include as many voices as you can in that conversation. 09:30.43 archpodnet Yeah, so well going off of that. Oh yeah, well, but but but now we're going I was gonna say now now we're going another way. So I want to I want to keep going. Um. 09:30.69 Anastasia Walhovd Yeah,, let's tea what else would did you want to ask me about I think the southwest wasn't it or you know keep good. Go Ahead. We have started all. I've opened a whole new can of verms. 09:50.26 archpodnet All the worms worms are everywhere. Um, so okay, so all the worms so you want to you Want to go back to grad school and part of that is um, you know wanting to do crm. Um. 09:54.39 Anastasia Walhovd All. 10:00.44 Anastasia Walhovd Yes, yes. 10:08.29 archpodnet You know, like continue all of this um like with ah with an academic or not an academic sorry Jesus I can talk um obviously edit that out. Um, but. 10:22.44 Anastasia Walhovd Keep the name. 10:26.46 archpodnet But ah, basically wanting to do indigenous archeology within Crm Um, if I if I understood that correctly. Um, so what? what are you hoping to. 10:34.34 Anastasia Walhovd So. 10:40.31 archpodnet Do you after grad school like and how are you hoping to incorporate indigenous archeology. 10:46.52 Anastasia Walhovd I yeah I um well for archaeologists, you need to be if you really want to you know be the master of your own destinamy in archaeology you have to be able to be a principal investigator and you need a master's degree to do that. Um, and so that's kind of. Big goal is in order to really have control over the projects that I take and the directionion I want to go with them as well as expand mcoon's consulting to you know, not just me doing field tech work and kind of doing these more peripheral things but really taking. Um, ah like ownership of it and it you know I'm the one that's applying for the grant or I'm the one that's applying for this bid for this client. Um and trying to incorporate. Um I guess. More aspects of like indigenous feedback or like just send community feedback into a lot of these programs into a lot of these projects and and I think um, you know I see myself with that with the to being that principal investigator and and expanding mccoon's consulting that way. Um. I think it's a good way to do that I think there's yes I started the tribal archaeology network and now I know a whole bunch more indigenous archeologists but I want to know more and in fact I think time I want to be able to start hiring some of these people and start training some of these people and you know getting more and more. People into the field and I think a lot of it is you know, giving giving a chance to someone who you know has got a degree from a tribal college and doesn't maybe have a 4 our-year degree from somewhere else and and teaching them the skills of the trade and seeing if they like archaeology and seeing if do you want to go further in this and giving those people. Opportunity to um to really feel confident in this field because I think it is a really tough field feel confident in as an indigenous person. Um, you're very often. The only person in the room who's an indigenous archaeologist and if you're a brand new baby archaeologist. And you're the only 1 people still turn to you and say well. What do you think about this. So oh gosh I don't know you know? Thank you a lot of people are still sort of navigating that um and so to be able to make people feel giving people that chance I think in the door is is a big big part of what I really want to do. 13:00.88 archpodnet So. 13:15.75 Anastasia Walhovd Um, because I think I think that's I that's ah um I guess just my passion project I guess I should say um so that's kind of where I see myself moving towards is being able to um. Not just educate people but also with projects starting incorporating different. Okay, normally we you know we wouldn't ask someone about um this project that we were gonna do because we aren't legally required to but maybe we should and maybe we should get some input on. Um, what. What they think or you know maybe this client we get some artifacts from this site but legally the landowner if you're doing a site on ah on a private increase of piece of property. Any artifacts you find belong to the landowner. Um and very often. Well ask them do you want them to. do you want to them do you want to donate them cetera et cetera and you know starting to make it standard you know is like would you like to return this to a descendant community um little things like that make a huge difference. Um, and you know and start giving ah tribal communities and senate communities sort of a little bit more ownership. About the archeology that goes on and say hey we found we found these likes. We found projectile pointss we found ceramic. Um, you know? do you have a safe place. Do you want to keep these so you can decide what to do with them. Um, you know and that that's like these little things that I think I want to start making more. If I start doing it. You know, maybe that will become commonplace in the practice. Everyone else who's not an indigenous own Crm firm will say oh well, she's doing it and like people you know the clients want that or people see that and they say wow that looks you know we want to do that too. We want to incorporate that into the project into our process and so you know we're having. That person who kind of helps to bring some of these ideas into the forefront is what I would like to do and. 15:17.80 archpodnet Yeah, that sounds that sounds Amazing. Um, and so along those lines like what I mean you you just mentioned a couple of them but like what? um. Changes would you like to see in the field overall in the future like what direction like what would you want crm to look like in the future. 15:49.92 Anastasia Walhovd So what do I want saran to look like in the future. Um I think more ah want to see more indigenous faces I want to see more I want to see tippo offices tribal historic preservation offices expanded. You know I think and I think some of that is coming at least I hope so with a little bit more investment into what is it be with Deb Holland and the department of the interior and kind of investing more into these spaces. These public lands and there's going to be ah I think a future of more archaeology out there. Um with more money theoretically going to these projects and so I'd like to see more people working to in. Corporatee and listen to indigenous voices and indigenous recommendations of like ways to do archaeology that. Um you know, settle things like asking like I mentioned before do you know? Do you want to donate the plant. You know as landons. Do you want to donate your artifacts. To a defendant community or you know even seeing if senateant communities would be interested in that or not some some might not have the capacity to do that. But I think starting to make people ask these questions and do these things is going to start putting things into. Into motion and and more and more of the field I think is going to come. You know I think there's more museums will open up and more people are going to get interested in it and more people are there can be more tribal monitors and at least that's what I hope for as you know if you start doing these sorts of things. I've seen. Are you going to start putting more bugs in people's ears in their home community like we need more archaeologists me more archeologists and hopefully that will push people to get into the field more? Um, so then I don't have to feel so so lonely all the time. 18:04.71 archpodnet Yeah, well, okay, on that note I Guess it's kind of an interesting note to end on. Um ah I know so yeah I know. Ah, um, so um. 18:12.11 Anastasia Walhovd Yeah, that was kind of sad wasn't it that last with those. 18:23.83 archpodnet So yeah, more more indigenous archeologists come into the field. So Anastasia doesn't feel lonely. Um, and with that vision of the future. Um, yes, well well I can't wait to um, you know, have you on again in you know, like five or ten years and 18:28.20 Anastasia Walhovd Um, exactly that's mostly why? yeah. 18:42.64 archpodnet And hear about how you're actually doing all of these really cool things. But in the meantime Thank you so much for for coming on and obviously all the best at and nmsu. 18:55.54 Anastasia Walhovd Well thank you, thank you for having me you know I feel really as I've said it before but I'll say again I feel really honored to be asked to do this. You know I think as I mentioned moon's consulting is it's an ojibwe word for bear cub and I do feel you know I'm I'm more on the Makoon. Of archeology then the muck was side the bear side. Hopefully if you happy again on in 105 years I'll I'll be muckle consulting. So I really appreciate you having me here so you miwitch. Thank you so much for your time and and listening to me ramble on. So. 19:31.47 archpodnet So it was a pleasure. It's a pleasure.