00:00.00 archpodnet Hello Welcome to the zoo. Oh my God fuck up to the zoo. The animals are all here I've never done this before. 00:03.49 Alex Jesus Christ we didn't get 10 seconds in who never do this before your producer on a podcasting network. My man. Ah. 00:18.28 archpodnet Okay, let me start this again. Welcome to Arche animalsal the podcast about zoo archaeology this is episode number 65 our final episode the zoo archaeology of arche animals. My name' is Tristan I am the producer and I have 2 wonderful hosts here to take you back through all the amazing things that we've done over the last five years so without much further ado I want to introduce Alex and Simona and introduce you to this episode of. Are you animals. 00:59.37 Alex Couldn't even get 10 seconds in ah 01:00.15 archpodnet Shut up. Well Alex why don't you bring us into the show. 01:08.35 Alex Well, it's our final episode of archeo animals and I guess we I would say we go off with a bang but given that Tristan couldn't even remember the name of the show. Um, it's like a clown horn really? Ah, but hey so yeah. I mean I guess that's a fitting way to start off our final episode and you know we're also celebrating our our 5 year run I think that's a pretty solid run for a podcast that I think was supposed to be about zooareology and then kind of turned into a video game podcast and. Whatever we wanted to talk about podcast. So I think we did pretty well all things considered so to kind of celebrate that because we want this to be a ah joyful episode and we want to celebrate ourselves I guess and what. Show's been for the past five years or I guess over 5 years a bit now we'll be turning our zoo archeological lens inwards and look at the zoo archeology of ourselves because. 02:12.72 Cpt Granarius What a wild ride. It has been over the last five years and a bit. 02:18.97 Alex Yeah, so I guess to start it would be good to probably tackle our origins like we do with a lot of our episodes or we tackle the origins of we don't actually we don't really do that all I made that up I thought we do I Guess we've we've tackled. Domestic origins and things like that. So. 02:41.00 Cpt Granarius A book but but but while we're at it actually because if you're ready mentioned. The 1 thing we do have a bingo card this time. 02:48.35 Alex Yes, true I mean it's a bit of a cheat to do the Bingo card on this episode because this episode is kind of just a bingo card of the greatest hits. But I figured you know what. Great way to encourage people to go back to the back catalog and listen to old episodes and utilize that Bingo card right. 03:09.51 Cpt Granarius Yeah, come in. We've been talking about it for probably not the whole 5 years but the better part of 5 years and Alex is a thankfully like now indulged us with an actual bingo card. 03:24.45 Alex Instead of doing anything productive that would support myself my academic work anything like that I mean a Bingo card folks. 03:37.90 Cpt Granarius But it will support the comic relief of all of the ah listeners out there. 03:42.60 Alex Yes, that and that means more than you know my paid job. Um, but yeah, we will let's let let's go to the origins. Let's go because you know God We don't go off track on our last episode but. 03:48.16 Cpt Granarius That's hopeful. 03:56.87 Alex s let's go back to our origin so kind of where the show began which was about me obviously um I did an episode of a different podcast called the luminar gallery podcast. Um chris who is the. The creator and god of the archaeology podcast network heard it and reached out and said hey um you you can string 5 words together and form a sentence a rudimentary kind of elementary. So sentence. Why don't you do a podcast about zoo archeology. No one's really done that. And I was like well I love to hear the sound on my own voice I assume other people would too. Um, but I didn't want to do it by myself because that would be sad and I wanted to make people think I had friends. So of course I bullied simona into doing this show with me. So. 04:48.20 Cpt Granarius Who like very much doesn't like hearing the sound of her own voice. So there's been a lot of her growing in and facing my own anxieties with this. 05:01.38 Alex But I felt like it was this Simmona was already someone who was like really smart and doing some pscyclomi stuff when you were still on the internet. Um. And it was very smart sounding I don't know what I'm talking about 90% of the time I figured at least someone should know what they're talking about on this show and you know I'm very grateful that you said yes to join me on this journey. 05:25.55 Cpt Granarius Certain ah all no it. It was great and also feel that it made a it made it a lot more comedic. 05:37.28 Alex Hopefully and you know the show itself is kind of really changed I I would rather never hear our first episode again. But I do vaguely remember that I don't think we even had show notes and that was something we had to have. 05:45.82 Cpt Granarius Um. 05:54.20 Cpt Granarius No, but know in a way I feel that um, used to be more of a blurb as opposed to sort of um more of a summary of what the episode was about but I think yeah, the show sort of evolved over time because it started off because again like. 06:02.94 Alex Yeah. 06:10.61 Cpt Granarius First experience sort of podcasting for both myself and you so as definitely as far as I'm concerned was like the first few episodes were very sort of robotic and trying to sort of get that thorough research which course was still going on later on but I try to make sure that everything was absolutely tip top and. Correct and being very factual about things and and sort of as we're slowly finding our feet sort of like her um burbly personalities or your bobbly personality and my personality of some description starts shining through sort of more and more over time as we're finding our feet. So even though it's still it is still. Research based and educational. There's been more of a comedic element and a back and forth going in there because it's um I did personally didn't want this to be a dry podcast that just portrays the facts. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's perfectly fine, but it's just not what my preference is sort a way I like I like that we found sort of this middle ground where it's still sort of and hopefully entertaining an educational for people. 07:07.86 Alex Yeah. 07:17.15 Alex Edutainment as the the folks say and more poorly I learned how to eat dinner before recording. Although that took about I don't know two and a half years um so that was. 07:26.82 archpodnet I Yeah I Want to point out how bad it was that every single time we would just do the pre-show and it's like like I'm really hungry and I'm like you know this is happening like. Every single time we record like we're organizing ahead of time. But yes, that was very good and then you'd rush off to go and eat your food but you've learned and that's a very good that's that's character development right? there. 07:54.45 Alex It's called growing as a human being folks. So yes. 07:59.31 Cpt Granarius The Swiss speaking of which actually of growing up the show us seen us through the rest of our twenties. 08:06.39 archpodnet And that is absolutely horrible and I yeah like I just turned 32 like a week ago please stop this is not samona why did you have to. 08:08.53 Alex I Want to stop recording now. 08:13.39 Cpt Granarius Just ah. 08:21.00 Alex My doctor just told me my body bad. Why would she wanted like really emphasize that. 08:24.70 Cpt Granarius That. 08:28.41 archpodnet But yes, use the listener I Hope you've seen how much we've grown how unsensible we still are. 08:37.44 Alex Ah, well to to be mature. Still let's so talk about our favorite bits to move on to what everyone wants to hear us talk about which is the bits and to start off, we'll to start with a real easy 1 is it ritual just going to real quietly. Ah quietly real quickly. In fact, ah summarize it if for some reason you have never listened to an episode or you've managed to just ignore the fact that we talk about retro a lot. Well it's because it's a common joke among arcs. Yeah art. Yeah, it's a common joke among archaeologists that somehow you know became what like 50% of what we talk about mainly because I did my ph d on it and I need to like actually use that degree sometimes. Yeah, yeah, we even have oh. 09:29.79 Cpt Granarius Yeah, um. 09:31.91 archpodnet And that is a good point actually that you actually got your Ph D like and you're now a doctor during this as well. Well done. 09:39.22 Alex Yeah doctor bad body wo we did it folks if I can get my page d literally anyone can you've heard me on this podcast for 5 years You now know that to be true. The yeah ritual we actually. Somehow did a whole episode on it episode 8 ah but also literally talk about it in probably every single one of our episodes because everything is ritual and that's because ritual is hard to identify because it can mean a lot of things and. Luckily though some archaeologists have tried to kind of pinpoint some useful elements Colin Renfrew has done so with the 4 aspects of ritual practice. You got your intention focus activity which you can see in the archaeological record. Got those liminal zones you know those in-between zones correlated with archaeological material. You got your focus on transcendence and symbol and material record and you got your archaeological evidence for a participation or offerings. Yes, we are going to try and put some educational. Information in this podcast which is just us padding ourselves on the back. 10:56.70 Cpt Granarius But if if you've been listening to our other shows. What our other show or other episodes. So One fifty percent of it was indeed ritual with the other 50% being domestication. Ah this which we do. Tend to talk about a lot, especially the whole like things like oh domestication of a species x and y probably happened at several points in time in the different geographical areas. You might have heard that on a number of episodes. But yes, we do talk about domestication a lot because what it is 1 of the main relationship that we've had. With animals over Millennia. It's very important to our species. Um and thus to archaeology. Um, and you'll see that. Yeah, we've we've covered it in loads of episodes I mean we've discussed it in the sheep goat episode episode 4 in our cat episode 7 and episode 3 that was all about dogs. Um, pretty sure also domestication got its own episode which very own episode 2 featuring the the robotic voice. Um. 12:09.53 Alex So we managed to cover not all the domesticated species but pretty close I think um, we've also talked about the three pathways of domestication commensal. So your wild species are attracted to pests and waste from human sites like dogs and cats. Ah, prey humans who began to control the breeding of species. They commonly hunt like cattle and pigs and then your direct domestication or captured species are utilized for travel or labor and have their breeding controlled like horses and we've even done some episodes where we've talked a bit more about the. More nuanced kind of in-bet between levels of domestication where you kind of have your managed herds like reindeer or tained animals like many of those that are bred in captivity. So yeah, those are basically the 2 episodes we kind of done domestication and ritual. But we've also just had episodes where you know we talk about our favorite bones. Ah like the humble a straulus which I believe in episode 51 we declared to be our favorite bone. Yes. 13:14.73 Cpt Granarius Believe it was fairly unanimous. Yes, as a unanimous of 2 13:20.88 Alex I Mean yes and that's all that matters. 13:21.79 archpodnet You unanimous unanimous you stragg us I like it. It's gonna be like like it's gonna be like folk punk Band What shape is they straggle us again. 13:28.52 Cpt Granarius Gnanim was a straggggerus. 13:30.72 Alex But that's the spinoff show. 13:33.27 Cpt Granarius Chip up. 13:36.37 Alex Is a race car. It's a race car folks. The race car bone as everyone famously refers to it as of course also called the Knuckle bone and if for some reason you don't remember what it is. It's basically found in the the heel. 13:39.97 archpodnet It's a race car. 13:55.50 Alex Ah, various mammals like pigs and sheep and deer. Um, it also has some really interesting use in kind of different temporal and cultural Contexts So Sometimes it's used as offerings. Other times as game pieces as dice and potentially may have also been used as money as well. But more importantly, it's a race car. 14:20.90 Cpt Granarius And at least it is from an undululate anyway. But it's no, it's ah it's a very interesting bone. It's very pleasing to look at. It's very dense so it survives very well. Um, across Millennia and yeah, even in the ethnographic record. There's still tons of users for the a stralists now like sort of from. Talismans to divination sets to games to teach children. How to count. 14:41.73 Alex Yeah, and I think because this utilized so much you tend to find it like very polish which also just makes it aesthetically pleasing. 14:49.64 Cpt Granarius Can I think oh was this been worked. No it just got handled like so many times so many times. 14:53.00 Alex Yeah, because it looks like a race car. Obviously everyone's going to utilize it right now we we can't really have a a zoo archeology episode of our own show without mentioning. Potentially one of the most important bits of. The podcast which is Simona's Romans and we need to reiterate simmona is not a Roman archaeologist and yet and yet I mean what was someone? What do you say about. 15:14.98 Cpt Granarius Is it thou. 15:21.43 Cpt Granarius And yet. 15:30.40 Alex How do you even capture. So so many years of Simona's romans. 15:38.29 Cpt Granarius Just I guess you are the Reluctant Roman archaeologists. 15:42.10 Alex I mean yeah I mean to be fair, we do do archeology in Britain and it's like really hard to not run into Roman things. 15:49.29 Cpt Granarius Dead state lately Congo anywhere without trepping on on Roman Archeology in in in Britain so is it's unavoidable. 15:56.90 Alex Yeah, and they also just like went everywhere and like moved things everywhere including species. So it's really hard to not talk about them when you're talking about zoo archeology particularly in like Europe. 16:10.78 Cpt Granarius Yeah sos just um, yeah, one of those things that you know ah left my home room like the ancestral lands of the romans under found be some more romans in Britain. So it's just it is just one of those things that it might not be the necessarily my favorite time period. But if you. Work in archeology in Britain you you will in time sort of amass an amount of knowledge on the roman period just one of those things. 16:37.80 Alex And more importantly, you do all the Latin pronunciations which is saving so many people who listen to this podcast from hearing me do it and that is truly a a miracle to everyone. 16:49.89 Cpt Granarius Which is not at all just me reading the stuff in an Italian accent. 16:53.90 Alex I mean for me, it works so it's fine anyway, if you wanted to hear just 1 episode on it even though it probably shows up in almost every episode we've done. We do have a proper episode on Roman Britain in episode 37 17:12.69 Cpt Granarius I think a good way to compliment my romans will be Alex's fish so as the ah but fish roads. Ah. 17:17.81 Alex Bad bad fish bone bad bone bad fish hate it I did my master's project on fish bones and I'm dealing with the trauma ever since then did you know that fish usually have over a hundred bones in their skull. Have you ever tried counting fish scales by hand did you know that if you handle fish bones a lot of times you'll get bone splinters in your fingers fish bones. Not even once. Thank you all right? Let's end this segment off with a positive. 17:45.22 Cpt Granarius L. 17:54.71 Alex To be fair and let's talk about chanky toes and chaunky boys because some of the boys we work with are not only chanky, their bones are chaunky and I literally cannot remember where this started I like went back and looked at all of our show notes from previous episodes. No idea where this came from it would be great if a listener can point out where this came from I I did not want to listen to 50 hours of the show to figure it out. But yeah I know the toes are chaunky because the meapolials are chaunky. They're really chaunky bones. 18:24.43 Cpt Granarius Chunky toes. Well I guess them. So. 18:30.18 Alex I Don't remember though what specific animal we were talking about though. Maybe that sounds right. 18:35.69 Cpt Granarius I Think it might have been the cameid one the camera. Um, but nevertheless since we um, do not know how the chonkytoes mythos originated will just use the most likely explanation it was ritual. 18:50.95 Alex See this is why this is why Simona was is one of the best podcast cohosts Simona Queen of Seways Baby and speaking of that let's segue into our first break and we will be back after this.