00:00.00 Alex And we are back with episode 63 of Archaeo Animalsal We're looking at the zoo archeology of the predators and its case study time. Although this was actually a really hard case study time to think about because frankly, there're not as many. Anatomically variant versions of the predator like the zeroromorse in the Alien franchise and I think that's probably because of the the difference in how each Alien species is depicted. You know again, we've talked about this sentient being thing Predators are kind of seeing more as sentient beings that have like individual. Personalities and things like that and the Xenomorphs are seen more as monsters or creatures so you see more kind of subspecies and more related species being depicted but. 00:47.39 Cpt Granarius Ah, and I guess also because they are more sentient like they have sort of they have weaponry. They have armor so you let you barely ever really see them out of their suit. Um, for this, there's not as much to talk about. 00:51.20 Alex Yeah. 00:59.91 Alex Yeah, because you know I think it's also yeah, if you want variety in say the Alien Films. You do need to kind of create a new Alien So like a different iteration than the Xennomorph whereas what predator if you want a different predator. You just fit them with a different you know. Suit and a different weapon style right. 01:19.98 Cpt Granarius Yeah, which you'd think that underneath it all look the same but we'll never know. 01:25.10 Alex Yeah I mean there are some variations of the predator that we can talk about and and we're stretching it a bit so apologies. So I think the first one that we do need to talk about and again I think we also covered this in earlier episode. But I think it's worth talking about it again. 01:29.98 Cpt Granarius Um, yeah. 01:42.84 Alex From a different perspective is the prodaian. 01:44.52 Cpt Granarius Which I think is incredibly cool for very cool design. 01:48.10 Alex I mean it's the thing that everyone wanted right when they were like we're making an alien versus preator film. The first thing you want is okay well what's the pretty alien like that's all you want. 02:03.33 Alex So oh. 02:03.35 archpodnet I actually there's also sorry in that same game the 2005 game they actually had pret aliens but they kind of looked more like I don't know they walked in all fours and they were like bright red I don't know I should have added this in the show notes but like they were weird. 02:03.51 Cpt Granarius And. 02:22.68 archpodnet Ah, 2 seconds ah pretty alien 2005 game avp let me see but they were really weird. They almost look like scorpions actually at some point or no was it the 2001 game I can never remember now but like they yeah sorry. 02:36.33 Alex Was it It were they in concrete jungle because Concrete Jungle. Okay, so Concrete Jungle is a predator game that. 02:42.41 archpodnet They might have been. 02:54.79 Alex Also has an Alien tie-in where I believe they basically tell you how mother was created. It's kind of wild. It's a wild game. Um, but yeah I can't remember they do have Xenamorph from that I can't remember if they have. 03:03.35 archpodnet Oh okay. 03:12.43 archpodnet Yeah, no I Just remember the pred aliens kind of like walking around all fours and being bright red. That's all I remember. 03:13.10 Alex Paranaiums. 03:19.22 Alex I Mean yeah so again, we talked about this in our previous episode. Oh see what these look like it's an invalid. It's an invalid. You are all my wow. 03:25.27 archpodnet Sorry, that's just the link to what they looked like it is not a good screenshot I'm invalid Anyway, Sorry sorry allies continue. 03:30.54 Cpt Granarius Yeah, you you're you, you're invalad Tristan um, but but back to but. 03:38.35 Alex Harsh. Oh. 03:43.33 Alex That's gonna say so we did talk about it in our previous episode but just to give a quick reminder how Zetammorphs work they do require a host for gestation but they also develop the ability to take on some of the genetic material. From the host itself. It's referred to in universe as the Dna Reflex which is why the Predaian looks the way it does. 04:06.53 Cpt Granarius Which um, probably be like the good thing that's come out of a Abp. 04:10.43 Alex Yeah again I think it's the thing that when they announce the films people are like well we you have to show a pre Alien and I mean it's already like it's been in loads of avp related media. But as far as what it looks like morphologically. It's. Basically like a predator in looks but it has the the skull. Um, so it has the skull appendages and that outer Mandible that like opens up kind of like horizontally and the Humanoid figure of a predator. But it also has that elongated skull of a xenomorph. 04:52.30 Cpt Granarius Yeah, because almost like they have they' retained so the elongated skull sort of a mandible of a Xenomorph but they have like almost a double man. Well you know the double Mandible than the Xeomorph already has plus the outer mandibles of a predator so that sort of arachnid um mandibles that they had. 05:02.45 Alex Yeah. Yeah. 05:11.99 Cpt Granarius And also the whisker-like appendages. 05:15.18 Alex Yeah, so Triple Triple mouth and Whisker Cat Whisker appendages. 05:17.74 Cpt Granarius It out the back. 05:27.36 Cpt Granarius Oh imagine a ah Cat xenomorph. 05:30.61 Alex They never did that I mean they did the dog xenomorph. 05:33.60 Cpt Granarius That did the dog but the car I feel like you'll be the ultimate just destruction. 05:41.48 Alex I'm gonna buy a xniorf costume and put on my cat that. 05:44.66 Cpt Granarius Yeah, like Zena walk for the panther like yeah yeah, the oh that's yeah, that time. 05:49.56 archpodnet It wasn't the thing in alien 3 like they tried to put like an alien costume on a whippet and it just didn't work and then they had to and. 05:56.38 Cpt Granarius They truth? yes. 05:58.46 Alex Yeah I think we talked about it in the episode but it's like the funniest picture I've ever seen. It's just it's just a little dark but it's it's an Alien outfit. It's so silly. Ah. 06:11.14 Cpt Granarius Someone please find a xeno of costume for my dog. 06:16.46 Alex Yes, sp or find 1 for my cat because this is what we really need to figure out. Um, so yeah, you know pred alien got 3 mouse. Um, weirdly enough apparently the predator mandibles are mainly used as a weapon and aren't really useful for any other biological standpoint. Um, yeah I could have told you that I don't think anything really needs 3 mouths but that's just me. Yeah. 06:43.27 Cpt Granarius Yeah, but they don't They don't seem to be linked to any sort of the digestive apparatus. So ah, yes, they are very much just for stabby stab. 06:49.59 Alex I mean I mean I guess realistically the biological standpoint of the Xenomorph is to just be the perfect killing machine right? So It can be as nonsense as it wants as long as it's gonna. Kill a bunch of people Anyway, speaking of dogs. 07:12.87 Cpt Granarius Yeah, what? But but was the actual quote they theyre as ah, ah as they are hostile. 07:21.22 Cpt Granarius I Forget how they described in the first alien. 07:22.50 Alex Ah, oh yeah, the the it's um, things in homes quote about it right. 07:36.22 Cpt Granarius Just something how like a design is so like perfect in a way like as perfect as they are hostile like. 07:37.74 Alex It's the. 07:43.71 Alex Yes, um I Found the quote you still don't understand what you're dealing with do you The perfect Organism Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. 07:50.23 Cpt Granarius There you go you have my sympathies different quote. The hail. 07:58.35 Alex So good is a Alien ah is a good movie. It's I don't know if that's a hot take. It's a really good movie Alien Sorry we're talking about predator although actually our next case study we're still not really talking about the predator we're talking about hell hounds. 08:04.64 Cpt Granarius Really is. 08:15.99 Cpt Granarius Ah, a look like for an episode about the predators. They've not. We're not talked an awful lot about predator anatomy. We've talked about the predator films a lot. We talked about Alien Films even more. But now we'll talk about the predators dogs well could the kind of dogs. You know. 08:21.83 Alex Yes. 08:29.57 Alex Dogs because they're not yeah, they're not from the same species. They're just the. 08:32.84 Cpt Granarius Ah. 08:36.33 Cpt Granarius What? no but like us and dogs are not the same species. So I guess it's yeah, but but we will. We'll talk about them because I guess they're part of what and not part of the culture their societal structure that they keep they keep animals including. 08:50.71 Alex Yes, and. 08:55.61 Cpt Granarius But perhaps not limited to the Hell hounds. Um, but still interesting because it's ah it is ah a Xeno Wolff species. The feature of the franchise and ah. This one. There's no shadow of a doubt that we are talking zoo archeology so that you got hell hounds. 09:19.20 Alex Yeah, so not predator species but part of the predator culture. They are first introduced in predators with an s and um I mean they closely ah represent. Ah, or resemble ah their theraids which is an order of mammalian like reptiles which would first develop some of the characteristics we most associate with modern day mammals. So like. They had limb orientation that became more diverse to allow for different ways of movement rather than the kind of like directly to the side that most reptiles have and I think they really represent that sci-fi trope we were talking about of the reptile. Iteration of a mammalian creature to make up a weird sci-fi creature design. 10:16.30 Cpt Granarius Check it makes sense because it it get it just looks so alien. 10:19.54 Alex Yeah, does the job really and this one in particular really does because it's got it got a lot spines. 10:27.94 Cpt Granarius Yes, a lot of sort of polly sort of poly horn thing going on. 10:32.66 Alex Yeah I don't know how you even really like they look like angliosore spines you know that dinosaur where that has the spines and it should be noted that. In some species of angliosaur. Um, it wasn't just bone that were sticking out. It was actually like fus to their ribs. So I mean that could be something that's happening. But then there's like a lot going on with the skull as well that we need to talk about. 11:06.74 Cpt Granarius Nix, that's what I was referring to as well like more more than the spine was the set of husks or horns almost like in ah and ah I forget the term for it. The poly sort of like you know, multiple horn sort of sheep species is not polydact to us multiple digits. 11:16.45 Alex Yeah. 11:23.41 Alex It's weird. It's yeah like some of them look like tusks some of them look like actual horns I don't know it's happening. They don't you know of course. 11:24.50 Cpt Granarius Um. 11:35.94 Cpt Granarius And of course if and they've got a lovely denture on them. Um, which I guess is's very sort of almost Crocodilian like and a no nose. You just see this exposed like nasal cavities. 11:41.89 Alex I guess. 11:48.95 Alex It's a bit weird. 11:50.53 Cpt Granarius No Nos but I very skeletal but. 11:52.43 Alex Anyway, we will actually get back to the predator so this is actually just an individual predator from the recent film prey but I think because they actually did change the design a bit. It might be worth kind of discussing it from an osteological approach. Um, so apparently the in-universe lore suggests that this predator which is referred to as the feral predator may actually be from the same species but a different whole world or a different kind of environment or climate to explain the difference and this was actually. Discussed and unexplained by the concept artist behind the design Michael Vincent who said that he used the concept of genetic isolation actually um with different environmental pressures to explain this design change. Ah, so saying that the feral predator likely comes from a much drer hotter climate where their appendages are thinner. Their oral tissue is thicker and their skin is actually scalier to retain moisture and it even even if you look it has a different mouth design. Ah. Again, if you think about it from that kind of genetic isolation approach. It's probably due to it having to adapt different prey or food that requires crushing which is it's really interesting that that was baked into the design was like. 13:18.60 Cpt Granarius Yeah, like do felt I go to give it to the concept artist. It is a very cool design find it much scarier looking so than the original. It's a lot more unsettling. 13:23.69 Alex Yes. 13:30.24 Alex Yeah, no and I like that they've actually thought through kind of I like when people actually think about this scientific stuff even though obviously this is all fantasy so doesn't really matter realism in that sense. But I like that there was a bit. Thought brought into you know why would yeah exactly. 13:48.99 Cpt Granarius It's like of course it's all made up by.. It's law Building. So It's like ah and it's all like all decisions made with the creature design or so the culture like all made in a purpose. Manner that even though it is ah ah a make believe Universe It makes it believable and relatable because it it. It has a reasoning behind it. 14:09.22 Alex Yeah, So if you look so the skull is much more elongated and much more narrow and for me I feel like it looks much more like a canine almost the the way The skull is shaped and it also lacks that high wide skeletal crest that many predators actually have. So. It's really cool and I mean just in general pray is just such a cool um, shifting of the the franchise in General. So again, please watch it.. It's so good. 14:38.64 Cpt Granarius Oh yeah, they knocked out the ballpark with pray. 14:43.88 Alex So yeah, um, the last one we do. We do need to talk about the predator the film the predator specifically the individual predator from the predator, the upgraded predator which is and. 15:00.74 Alex It's an upgraded predator. Yes, it's It's where the predator is quote unquote upgraded but realistically it's It's just a bigger predator like it's a big chanky boy is just. 15:01.11 Cpt Granarius Okay, but so this is the twenty eighteen predator film. 15:15.88 Cpt Granarius Yeah I mean it's just it seems to have it seems to have jewelry on the head appendages. 15:20.11 Alex Is a big. 15:26.00 Alex Yeah, it does I mean I think some of them do some of them do kind of decorate it their appendages because I think I mean realistically I believe the design was based on Rastaffaian hair. Um, so that yeah. 15:31.57 Cpt Granarius Um. 15:38.58 Cpt Granarius Which I guess why lot people were led to believe there were draglocks. 15:44.51 Alex Ah, but you know in Lord there's it's little fleshy long things anyway, big chaunky boy. Ah so in the film he is an upgraded predator who has been hybridized and has the Dna of lots of other creatures resulting. 15:49.75 Cpt Granarius Death. 16:03.55 Alex In very strong traits such as bulletproof Exoskeleton Skin. He doesn't actually need the biohelmet to supplement his vision like the other predators. Um, and I mean is that the most exciting thing to discuss from an osteological perspective but I feel like. It's kind of interesting to think about in terms of the futures of Archaeology So like like would we be able to identify genetically modified or enhanced animals through the zoo archaeological record alone specifically like this kind of sci-fi type of stuff. 16:39.37 Alex Do not want to even think about it. 16:42.74 Cpt Granarius There's ah the well That's the things I was trying to give an answer to the question but then in order to do that I'd have to just picture that happening. Ah let's not think. 16:53.61 Alex So so yeah, let's say someone takes a chicken and gives it bulletproof exoskeletal skin. It does need to wear a biohomet. 17:01.56 Cpt Granarius Who First of all, you fool Let you can see it in their eyes. They are dinosaurs look at them. You fool. 17:10.37 Alex Yes, I mean I Guess realistically it's like if it affects them morphologically like if they become because we know we we are through breeding and stuff we are. Kind of doing this not to the extent as the upgraded predator but you know you can see the changes in breeding of certain species right? So I guess I mean yeah I don't think we'll be able to figure out if it has a bulletproof exoskeletal skin. 17:37.45 Cpt Granarius Yeah. 17:45.92 Alex Unless that means that it preserves better I'm not sure has someone done the experimental archeology on this. 17:53.13 Cpt Granarius Have. 17:59.75 Alex I think on that note I think that wraps up our predator episode but we do have a final trick or treat for this Halloween episode and this may be a callous waiting for me to do this but whatever Simona is we've lost Simona you think. 18:12.26 Cpt Granarius The protest. 18:19.57 Alex So okay, here's our trick or treat our trick is that after lots of consider conversation. We have made the decision to end the podcast this year but but okay this is why I put it as a trick or treat you know that may be a trick to some people who may be sad. Ah, but here's our treat couple treats one we are going out on a high. This has been 5 years of producing potentially listenable content I'm not sure if it's been listenable but I hope it has been so you know. 18:50.96 Cpt Granarius Yeah, like it was 5 years yes i's been well. We will be well over five years will be yeah going on five and a half years so here I thought. 18:59.35 Alex Yeah, so I think that's a nice treat but our other treat is that this isn't the last episode because I think that would be embarrassing. Um, there are there are still 2 episodes coming out before we wrap up. So so please stick with us until the end of the year 19:08.48 Cpt Granarius Um. 19:15.74 Alex And of course our archive episodes will also remain and all the other odd podcasts on the apn so it may be sad that we're ending the show but we're not ending just get There's 2 more episodes. So just see us through to the end of 2023 and i. Can't promise you that'll they'll get better but there'll be more of them. 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