00:01.89 Alex Hello everyone welcome to episode 57 the zooareology of star wars episode 2 attack of the Alex this is archaeo animals the podcast all about zoeology. Yeah, um. 00:04.23 Cpt Granarius Like yeah stop. 00:14.58 Cpt Granarius And Star Wars. Apparently. 00:19.39 Alex And I'm your host Alex Patrick and with me for a very interesting experience about star wars is so okay, this first part and we can't really do this on a podcast medium but for the the listeners at home. Please imagine the like. 00:28.22 Cpt Granarius Simona Faanga 00:38.92 Alex Crawl you know from like the films. 00:40.80 archpodnet The yellow text that it's the yellow text. It's the moving yellow text that everybody talks about the kind of yellow text that my grandfather used to say quick quick check behind the Tv see if you can see it stupid me being quite young. 00:56.51 Alex That's ah, that's a really good bit actually. 00:58.37 archpodnet I know I I I fell for it quite a lot. Um yeah I did I could never catch it. Oh you weren't fast enough I've really tried but he said to me look do or do not. There is no try. 01:12.30 Alex All right? We got and a couple another couple minutes of quotes you want to get out away before we yeah keep going with the episode or what. 01:22.40 archpodnet Annakin your focus determines your reality so in that sense as long as we maintain focus on the episode. It should get done. 01:30.44 Alex Well, we'll say anyway. So imagine the crawl right? It's going is going up into space. It's yellow text and so here's the recap of the last episode because this is a sequel to our first star wars episode. 01:46.43 Cpt Granarius Your. 01:47.99 Alex So at that time Simona was gone lost somewhere outside the auto rim alex had okay I'm gonna try to do this with my my covid voice. Oh to mid power and decided to do a star wars episode because. My brain was broken a very long time ago when my father showed me those reag s tapes so we ended up not really talking about the zo archeology of star wars but we did talk about the importance of archeology and cultural personal heritage and why it's so important in the star wars mythos and. A lot about the expanding universe I feel like so for yeah, it's what I care about and that's what's more important. It's what I want to talk about anyway. So for today's episode we will actually this time I promise. 02:24.13 archpodnet I Mean that's good stuff to talk about you know. 02:40.80 Alex Talk about the the creatures of star wars and explore their potential osteology and zo archaeology so like the last episode we will cover creatures in the current canon a k the things that have been solidified as conical lore by Disney. As well as what they referred to as legends aka. What Disney does not consider canon anymore also referred to as the expanded universe which I like to see myself as a bit of a scholar of as a very lonely nerd child who read like all the books very very sad, very lonely. 03:11.82 archpodnet Once you start down the dark path forever. Will it dominate your destiny. It's so easy. There are so many of them. There are so many over the top quotes from Star Wars ridiculous. 03:13.90 Alex Um. 03:17.70 Cpt Granarius All all things. 03:20.58 Alex Cost at. Yeah, it's almost like there's so it's almost like it's a huge franchise that has been in all sorts of medium. 03:33.77 archpodnet And yes, but I've just managed to quote just from the through the four five and six so like. 03:40.53 Alex And more importantly because. 03:45.71 archpodnet And what was that for what was that sarcasm. 03:48.13 Cpt Granarius No me who sarcastic. No. 03:56.17 Alex Speaking of Simona ah simmona hasn't said a word really in this episode and I think we should explore why that may be simmona what is your experience what star wars. 04:06.86 Cpt Granarius I have watched the first two films not 1 and two I'm told the first films as they came out in chronological order which I'm told a new hope and return of the jedi. 04:22.80 Alex Yes, no, it's ah it is. It's episode 4 a new hope and episode 5 the empire strikes back is what you've watched sorry have you seen the little little ewwalks. The little adorable bear creatures. 04:24.79 Cpt Granarius No. Oh. That's the one I think I may have watched return of the Jedi I don't know yes I don't like them I don't like them I liked R Two d 2. 04:39.90 Alex Okay, so then you have seen? Oh I like them when I was a kid I loved wicket I thought he was so cool. Well I when I was born I guess my parents were planning on having a child for a couple years so I had the biggest collection of return the jedi merchandise and I wasn't born until a couple years after that phone came out so I had lots of I had a wicked plushy I had all this stuff. So I think that's why I tend to really like it anyway. 05:13.10 Cpt Granarius Now I've watched them as an adult. But again only those 2 potentially three films I been a few years I can't remember ah so as you may have gathered I'm not as into the style was law as it which is a good way of saying I'm not into star wars law at all. Um. 05:16.33 Alex Yes. 05:32.95 Cpt Granarius What we've done for this because course we're going to be covering several creatures. Um Alex has kindly sent me a variety of images of the creatures that we're going to cover and I have purposely decided not to look at them so we can do a little bit of simona react. Ah, strange creatures from star wars. 05:53.87 Alex Yes, this will be very similar to I think the ah pokemon episode in some respects. 05:57.32 Cpt Granarius Come on that episode I raised that from my brain. 06:02.80 Alex I Do remember you absolutely having your brain melted on the concept of Pokemon being porn from eggs and some pokemon being boasts. So yes, you you kind of absolutely lost it. No and. 06:11.55 Cpt Granarius Um, oh yes, the the Epi ghost on know what did you? but did you? oh. 06:18.50 Alex You block that out. It was a bit traumatic I for you I think because it's fun. Simona. It's fun for me as someone who doesn't know much about zoo archeology get hosts a podcast about it. But I know a lot about pop culture. So. Isn't my time to shine finally. But yes, so we will start off our episode talking about the nerf yes from the iconic line you scruffy looking nerf herder from episode 5 the empire strikes back? yeah. 06:50.42 Cpt Granarius Oh watch that one sit. 06:54.29 Alex So I don't know if you remember it's something Lea says to Han or Hahn when they ah so it's after Luke Schwwarer gets smacked in the face when a wampa gets rescued is on the hoff base. He's in the the medical bay. It's right. For that very awkward Kiss between Leah and Luke which in retrospect is very strange and um, yeah, she says that to Han and you know I think there's a lot of people who are fans of star wars who probably don't even really know what a nerf looks like. 07:26.55 Cpt Granarius Okay, look look at the photo. Okay, 1 of them. 07:30.30 Alex Yeah, so it's I mean this is something we'll see a lot in this episode. There are a lot of yak like creatures in Star wars. 07:43.94 Cpt Granarius It's got a strange tale this one though. 07:45.71 Alex I Let me go for a little bit of flavor when you're designing creatures. 07:51.76 Cpt Granarius Yeah, because like it kind of looks like a yak that's called multiple horns Now it's got like it's got solar this almost like the same ah horn pattern as like so the Banks Lan sheep. 07:54.94 Alex Also very common theme in Star wars. 08:05.00 Alex Here. 08:07.89 Cpt Granarius But then it's very yak-like but then it's got like a Reptilian Armadillo Pipe tail. 08:11.85 Alex Also a very common theme. We'll be seeing in this episode which we've actually talked about in the past of how you know because this is even though this is only our second star wars episode. It's our five billionth whatever 08:18.38 Cpt Granarius Um, but. 08:27.56 Alex Episode looking at kind of fictional creatures and I think we've talked about those before about you know it seems to be the way to go is to throw in a little bit of Rutilian characteristics into creatures that makes sense. But yeah. 08:42.60 Cpt Granarius I Guess it makes it alien so to speak. Um. 08:45.87 Alex Anyway, so the nerf is a herbivore that is kept primarily for its milk but is sometimes used for its meat and fur as well. So some morphological details include very blunt teeth as well as obviously having these very unique 3 hree -curned horns now I also want to note and you can see this in here next? Ah photo simmona this is not to be confused with Banthas which are also similarly yak like but much bigger and mainly located on tattooine and they are mainly herded by the tuscan raiders and use. Pack animals by them. Although sometimes they're also hunted for food and wool. 09:28.31 Cpt Granarius That did they just like stuck wall on an elephant or something. 09:36.14 Alex Yeah, probably I Love Bantha They're cool. 09:40.63 Cpt Granarius So case, it's very it matters kind of reminds me of like the creatures I know if you ever seen the film quest for fire. Ah okay, so like the horns. Okay. 09:48.13 Alex Oh my gosh. Yeah I haven't thought about that. That's so funny. But. 09:57.70 Cpt Granarius That that they are. They are not that similar I mean they're like both like sort of fairly large herbivores but ah looking at it for the first time. The banters morphologically does look quite different because the shape of the horns is quite a bit different. It's only got the 2 is very Ram -like they're a lot larger in relation to head size compared to the ah nerf the mouth what's going on with the mouth. It's got lips. 10:19.37 Alex I I mean well yeah, it's a it's a bantha of course it's got lips and it got a little beard why you think that's weird. 10:28.36 Cpt Granarius But but it's got like the skin so almost like human like lips. 10:35.37 Alex Yeah ed its ah just to note that banhas predate nerfs and I don't actually know and Tristan you can correct me if I'm wrong I don't think nerfs have actually. 10:40.71 Cpt Granarius Ah, the but banters I guess. 10:52.81 Alex Materialized really in definitely not in live action form. But I don't even know if they've really appeared in like the animated stuff. The only image I could find of them was like a drawing. 10:57.18 archpodnet No I haven't seen enough. Yeah I've not seen enough of the animated stuff to confirm or deny this um I know it's definitely not in any of the live action. Well sorry. 11:10.84 Alex Um, yeah, yeah. 11:13.36 archpodnet Main films. So yeah, I'm really surprised. That's what a Nerf looks like yeah I mean I can't believe that you know they make weapons out of those creatures as well. You know, absolutely ridiculous and I think that's the practice I think I would Ban is the. 11:23.97 Cpt Granarius Weapons are. 11:30.50 archpodnet The removal of Nerf from Nerf guns to stop the numbers dwindling it. 11:35.21 Alex Thank you, thank you for putting your politics into this podcast Tristan has now been suspended. Um, so yeah, you know it's interesting to also see that. 11:37.16 Cpt Granarius Ah. 11:47.64 Alex So technically the banthes did actually predate nerfs in that obviously ban those were used in the first well chronologically the first film that was made but the fourth film in the franchise you know at a new hope and they were basically elephants. And it makes sense. It's ah it's a cool look not necessarily that difficult to probably get they film this in Tunisia. Um, so yeah, it's just been a practical sense that kind of makes sense. 12:14.39 Cpt Granarius Your own practical spins back Up. Who. 12:21.53 Alex But to go back to kind of the actual in lore kind of stuff as you know like I said they're mostly known from that 1 throwway line in empire strikes back. Not really throw away line. It's a pretty famous line. But the implications of that and what has been kind of carried on into the expanding universe stuff is that nerfs were just apparently really disgusting and smelly that's why nerf herder is an insult says. Obviously if you work with nerfs. You're probably just as smelly and disgusting as they are and they seem to be found on most temperate. Planets. So. 12:59.24 Cpt Granarius I Mean no wonder they're a bit smelly their fur looks very mattered. They should brush them once in a while always brush your nerve. 13:07.26 Alex Yeah, always Brush Nerf Thank you for speaking truth to power with that. 13:10.64 Cpt Granarius This okay. 13:12.78 archpodnet I Do you need to use a comort you need to use like a slicker brush for that kind of for right? right? Yeah I'm making note with this. Thank you for your Nerf you've now subscribed to the Nerf Facts podcast. 13:17.69 Cpt Granarius I Probably use like a dematting brush. Yeah. 13:29.41 archpodnet If you want to hear more episodes about this Somona will be doing a number of um how to groom your Nerf for the next couple of episodes. 13:36.80 Alex Welcome to our our new podcast nerds on nerfs I'm your host Alex fitzfatchrick. 13:40.48 Cpt Granarius Yeah, well you know like I'm very passionate about Nerf welfare. 13:50.72 Alex So no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no I'm bringing it back baby. We're bringing it back. Okay, back to. 13:51.80 archpodnet I Think we've just Nerfd this podcast. Sorry sorry. 14:02.19 Cpt Granarius 1 14:08.34 Alex And actual podcast about Zoo Archeology. So So archeological considerations for the Nerf that have nothing to do with you know, maintaining their their their looks I mean they they seem more or less. It's It's hard to say what their domestication status is. Because it's not a real animal but you know the fact that they refer to them as Herds and Nerf Herders You know, maybe we can imply that they are more of ah, a managed herded animal like the reindeer which we talk about a lot in this podcast. 14:43.78 Alex Rather than something a bit more domesticated like cattle. 14:47.28 Cpt Granarius Maxim is the yak fully domesticated. 14:50.69 Alex I Don't actually know I feel like we might have talked about this in the previous episode but I've already forgotten. Okay, yeah. 14:54.63 Cpt Granarius Okay, no, no, but yak, no it is class as a domesticated cattle. So okay, so I guess something akin to something that looks like a yak but is heard it like reindeer does. 15:05.88 Alex Yeah I mean obviously you know speaking realistically domestication isn't necessarily a a black and white thing. There are shades domestication and you know who knows as Well. How anything works in the Star Wars Universe. It's a bit calvin ball like. But I mean I feel like you can probably make a case that they might be a bit more of a herded species. Not necessarily bread and again I mean the difficulty I guess is that we really haven't seen them In. Um. 15:38.75 Cpt Granarius Ah. 15:42.46 Alex Any of the kind of bigger iterations of Star Wars which seems surprising given that they kind of yeah true. 15:45.28 Cpt Granarius But they should get They should get their own spin off everyone does just and a document and in law documentary of the nerve. Um, but but I'm guessing probably a semi Domesticated. Um. Because while so they are herded by the Tuscan Raiders Um, others. 16:07.49 Alex No, those are but those are bandhas. 16:17.22 Cpt Granarius Ah. 16:19.44 Alex Nurses are hurted by nerve herders. It's very easy to remember. 16:21.50 Cpt Granarius What But you know, but that might not be what they call themselves. That's just what other people refer to them as yeah because that's you know if this user said Theirogatory term for someone who. 16:27.49 Alex That is true. We may be using a derogatory term this whole time to to about. 16:36.89 Cpt Granarius Smells then surely the population that in law herds the nerves probably doesn't like to be called that and call themselves something entirely different. 16:42.69 Alex This is true in my defense I have no idea I'm sorry for my ignorance but Navy Star Wars should actually cover that so that I don't sound ignorant when I talk about that. It's but I guess assuming that they are semideveated I Guess you. There would probably be some similarities maybe with the way that we would find their remains as far as kind of you know there's a very specific Way. We see domesticated species right in the archaeological record.. There's probably going to be a correlation between like you know? ah. 17:19.64 Alex Proximity to a kind of site domestication site or something like that and probably related finds to like the secondary products and things like that you know. 17:29.97 Cpt Granarius Yes I Guess I don't know like presuming. You know if they get hered across like a distance you might make the assumption that the herd is are semi- nomadic at least so maybe like in sort of Summer camps or Winterca or winter camps you might find evidence of sort of Butchery. Of the animals and preservation for the winter. There might be some working off the bones or picking the horn specifically turn into objects Utilitarian or otherwise so if that preserved that be nice, but while the horn calls will be there in this fictional big. 17:47.20 Alex Yeah. 17:55.71 Alex Yeah, yeah for sure and I think the fact that they are found mostly on temperate plan. It's probably so also supports that idea that you know we're potentially looking at kind of seasonal as. Sites of occupation and in relation to Nurse. See yeah. 18:21.51 Cpt Granarius So the banthurs instead blackheaded by Tuscan raiders but they also get hunted from other people for food food and wool so much like yaks and nerves and. 18:34.10 Alex Yes. 18:40.75 Cpt Granarius Cattle. 18:42.30 Alex Yeah, like I said there's a there's ah, a fair amount of yak-like creatures in Star Wars which again kind of makes sense from a very practical standpoint in that you can basically throw a bunch of fur on a real animal and say that's some kind of creature right. 19:00.85 Cpt Granarius Glue the elephant. 19:01.78 Alex Yeah, you know it's fine. It's fine actually banhas are kind of interesting as well. There's a lot of cultural stuff with banthers and the Tuscan raiders I believe in some of the expanding universe stuff I don't know I can't remember if it's. 19:07.72 Cpt Granarius Um. 19:20.72 Alex Been added to the canon lore because there's been a lot of stuff related to tusca raiders in the television shows like in Bobbafat and lamanda laian but there's the banthers are a really important species to the tuscan raiders and they you know they grow up together. There's a whole thing with. You know bandha being born around the same time as a child in the tuscan raidder group and you know they they create kind of like a a multi-species community which is really interesting and it's also just an elephant with some for a glute on it. Science fiction is magical folks and as we think about that we will take a break and we will get back to some non yak like creatures. 20:20.61 archpodnet And yeah, that's good. 20:22.20 Alex Yep.