00:00.00 Alex And we are back with Archeo animalsal we are celebrating the spooky season or belatedly but celebrating the spooky season by talking about the zoareology of xennomorphs from the alien franchise and we're gonna get. Down to it I guess in this section. 00:20.50 Cpt Granarius I Guess we'll have a little look at all the various iteration. The of the Xeno morphs that we see throughout the franchise and ah yeah, have a bit of a a punt of what this colletal structures may look like in hoper. 00:36.30 Alex Because there are 2 skeletons which is a lot to deal with. 00:36.20 Cpt Granarius Brainstorll explode. 00:47.16 Cpt Granarius Guess to begin with I Guess we might follow them through like their life cycle sort of to begin with we have ah what I'm sure is everyone's favorite. The face hugger not at all anxiety inducing. No No nothing of that. So. It's um, well I Guess so. Horrifying baby xennomorve but also like not really because the the face hugger it hatches from the other morph. So The Egg So This Fariseitoid lava refer to us face hugger attached themselves to the face of its host but then lay an embryo inside of them. 01:06.48 Alex Yeah. 01:21.89 Cpt Granarius And then kind of just die. So they're more of a yeah guess that they're not a baby xenomorf in itself like how's that work. 01:24.92 Alex Ah. 01:30.84 Alex Yeah,, they're not really, they're yeah in in retrospect, it kind of doesn't make some well no okay but you can hear my brain starting to already sizzle and pop. But because you would. Think they're the baby's Universe. They're the ones that actually hatch out of the egg that is laid but it. 01:54.50 Cpt Granarius But then the the escalletto structure is completely different to that of a fullyformed Xenamov or is that their impact of being hosted by a mammal. 02:07.00 Alex I Think yeah well we'll we'll get into that as we move into some of the other iterations. But yeah I guess I don't know Yeah I don't know because. 02:21.31 Cpt Granarius Next that they attach themselves to a face and like and the tail goes around the neck so you properly can't pry them away and ah then after a couple hours and elect all a baby Xenome Ah the actual big Xeno form. We just burst out your chest. 02:25.85 Alex Yeah, it pops the thing out. 02:33.99 Alex Yeah, and they are called very creatively ches bursters and then the chess bursters are the ones that actually mature into the adult zetamorphs. So yeah I guess in some ways The face hugger is a completely different thing. 02:41.10 Cpt Granarius Yeah, yeah. 02:53.61 Alex To the Xenomorph but it does like give birth to the Zeno morph. 03:01.15 Cpt Granarius The could guess is most like um like a vehicular thing that transmits the embryo from O a morph to host. 03:05.16 Alex Oh gosh. 03:12.39 archpodnet And like if you think about like ah like a tree seed like a conquer is inside like the spiky shell you know like a conquer is like inside that So like the the outside layer of the conquer is like the green spiky thing. But still part of the tree that's still part of the life Cycle. It's just something that gets cast off. It's just like a shell you know it's just a moving shell I Think that's the best way to kind of think about it. 03:42.22 Alex Um I don't know I think that may might bring her a bit more. 03:44.68 Cpt Granarius There only then do you get the baby Xenina morphs coming out to which looked for something so terrifying looked so super cute in the first Alien film because he was this tiny baby xenno Morph and it looked like it was a wheels just going as it was running away and he was. 04:00.34 Alex It does whip its way through that room and hit it after it pops out of John Hurt oh spoilers I guess but whatever, um, goes right down that hallway. It's kind of incredible and like I said they're they're very quick and very different ways. They take literally hours and they're the terrifying killing machines that haunt the protagonists of the aliens films. 04:31.86 Alex But yeah I guess we no I was gonna say you know we might as well move into the xennaorf themselves or specifically we'll talk about the Xomorph as seen from. 04:32.79 Cpt Granarius Ah, and I guess ah guess ah as with um, sorry. 04:48.36 Alex A human host which is seen in Alien and Aliens and I think it's kind of the the prototypical idea of a xenoorf if you talk about it. That's what people think about? Yeah yeah, well I just try not to think about that film. 05:00.65 Cpt Granarius I Guess Also Alien resurrection but mostly ah. 05:07.90 Alex At all and just to try my best to you know Manifest its way out of my brain. Maybe. 05:17.51 Cpt Granarius So I mean know as we discussed before the Xenomorph needs a host for gestation. So of course you know in the Alien Films given that you know it's mainly human based crews. Ah most of the victim hosts. Ah dude tend to be Humanoid in nature. 05:34.13 Cpt Granarius So in the law of the franchise. The Xnomorph have the ability to take on certain Choic characteristics of the hosts during gestation. 05:43.78 Alex Yeah, So obviously if most of the you know victims are Humanoid in these films. You usually end up with a Xenomorph that ends up kind of Humanoid looking in that they're upright they're bipedal creatures. Even. And you know this is going in more into stylistic differences that really can't really be explained by in Universe Science but in the original film You can even see the glimpse of like a humanoid skull within the larger Xenomorph Cranium which I always thought was a really cool detail. Ah course like you know that design didn't stick around so we can't really say it's canon but I like the idea of like you know, having that kind of thing from a ah host even though it doesn't make sense. 06:31.25 Cpt Granarius But I sit away because ah maybe like the first one allowed for a bit more level of detail because it was they were using costumes a lot over Cgi and of course each I was filled in its early days when the other films came out. So maybe that um. 06:37.51 Alex True. 06:46.80 Cpt Granarius Talking about cgi. Ah um, no, so you know like we know that the xenomorph can take on the characteristics of any host species. So we've seen cubanoid xenomorph um, what else could it look like that's what aided 3 06:47.11 Alex Speaking. 07:06.43 Cpt Granarius Comes in and answers it for us giving us a dog Xenomorph also known as the runner which um as you expect like that the host was a prison dog and guess it unfortunately gives birth to the runner which is more quadrupedal. In nature runs on all fours and the anatomy sort of is well guess not necessarily quite similar to a dog but you do see some similarities so like in like hind leg structure and such and the fact that yeah runs on all fours. 07:38.50 Alex I mean it's kind of like they just took the skeleton of a dog and put a big weird alien skull on it that big brown thing. But more importantly, what I'd like to talk about in this section is that we were deprived. Of what a real dog xenomorph would look like so if you on Youtube the ah special effects team from alien the alien films they've uploaded to behind the scenenes stuff. You can also find this on like the Dvds and stuff but there are original tests for the xenomorph dog costume. And it's the greatest thing in the world and I'm inviting you all including you Mona if you haven't seen it already I assume you might have to just look up on Google the dog xennomorph costume because they literally just put a costume on a dog. For filming and it's just the cutest thing in the world. Sorry you just reacting to this now. 08:41.13 Cpt Granarius Ah I've just I've just looked at the photo. But if anyone else wants to see what it looks like I mean you're more than welcome to send us a ah an actual you know wolf costume for dogs and I'll be sure I can let my be but. 08:44.79 Alex It's amazing right. 08:48.59 Alex Chief. 08:56.63 Cpt Granarius Get my dog to wear it. 08:59.27 Alex It's just it's the funniest thing I Love that notion that someone was like what if we just put it on a dog and then they they made the whole costume like and everything and they put it on a dog and you just can't do that folks. It's too cute. I was supposed to be scared of that. No I would be running towards it when my arms open. 09:20.24 Cpt Granarius That also be like the usual like on well not usual dog actor thing but a lot of dog actors that just can't stop wagging their to and they have to see G it out and they just so happy to be there. 09:30.90 Alex Yeah, just the happiest. The happy is xenavorve. It's just it's so Funny. So yes, if you have not seen this please take a moment out of your life and just look it up. And just give yourself a little joy in that sense. 09:47.41 Cpt Granarius Be like alien 5 the best boy. 09:52.72 Alex I mean I feel like with Jonesy in the first film we could have also just gotten those xenomorph cat. 10:00.18 Cpt Granarius Oh no, that'll be too terrifying. 10:02.56 Alex Yeah, that actually might be the most evil thing possible. 10:13.32 Alex I'm sorry I asked it I didn't mean to disparage you. 10:18.44 Cpt Granarius With no she she she's not on good terms with Jonesy went on adventures without her. Um. 10:22.39 Alex Ah, sorry to bring it up bad times Anyway, we should probably move on to the other Hybridy tight thing The Xenomorph Human Alien hybrid. 10:36.27 Cpt Granarius Ah, oh. 10:39.16 Alex Yeah that's all we have to say about it. No, it's from the extremely bad movie alien resurrection and we just need to get. We just need to talk about the the plot of alien Resurrection first to really emphasize the ridiculousness that we're about to kind of try and justify through science. So. It's all about clones of Saouria Weaver's character Ellen Rippy from the other films and yes I I said clones and you know there's a lot of Dna nonsense occurring. So of course you know that obviously means we would get some weird hyperdization between Ripley and the Xennomorph. Specifically the xennaworf queen which willll we'll talk about later in this episode and I think we specifically want to talk about the horror show known as the newborn which is born from the xenomorph Queen which has been. Contaminated by Dna from Ellen Ripley so she doesn't actually give birth to a egg and have a face hugger situation instead she gives birth like a human would to the newborn and boy does it look like a hybrid. Because unlike other xen knoworps the newborn has a much more humanoid-looking body particularly the skull which is distinctly more human looking except it has the kind of weird you knowmorph elongation and. 12:05.92 Alex Very scary cane onif to really emphasize the fact that this is a scary guy. 12:09.27 Cpt Granarius Do be fair like it was kind of haunting or a but like with it when I first watched it and it might be like that sort of humanoid but not quite. There was a bit. It's a bit unsettling. 12:14.93 Alex Um I. 12:23.13 Alex He just looks like he's made out a candle wax is weird is goopy. Don't get it. 12:35.88 Alex Ah, yeah. 12:38.37 Cpt Granarius Um, it it to to take it for it is so the the whole ordeal is confusing. 12:41.29 Alex Yeah, so it's like I don't even know where to start from talking about the the anatomy or the skeletal anatomy of that. 12:48.89 Cpt Granarius Yeah, like 1 thing that is confusing sort of biologically and I know we're gonna cover the queen in a bit but what's in this film you have a queen and then you have all the various like xenomorph drones to whom like she gives birth. You know, like in an a vipoous fashion. She lays the eggs face hungers go out a load of people like pre you know, left there for the occasion. Get infected give birth ofedo bulls. But then she gives birth to the newborn like a placental mammal would. 13:24.90 Alex oh oh I can answer that actually it's you see it's because the xenomorph queen was contaminated by Dna from Ellen Ripley thus giving her some slightly humanoid characteristics similar to how Ellen Ripley 13:25.71 Cpt Granarius So is she both like Mammalian and Ovius at the same time. 13:44.50 Alex As clone which I think is number 8 in the film. She also has been contaminated by Dna from the xennomorph queen and she has like acid ah spit and like sharp nails. You know, obviously this is a scientifically sound so I don't know why you did. 13:59.13 Cpt Granarius You know little but like never but I get that but just you seem to be having 2 different reproductive systems at the same time because course all the drones would wish she like she gave birth to them in an ovopoorous fashion. But then the newborn it was a very. 14:02.18 Alex And up. 14:09.10 Alex Oh oh. 14:17.49 Cpt Granarius Placen to a kind of situation there but both at the same time. 14:19.78 Alex Oh I can answer that. Yeah I can answer that question. Um, it's a very bad movie and it has a very bad script. That's why that's happened I'm gonna start writing that as like a. Zoo Archeological report thing if I just don't get it. This is a very bad movie would a very best script. Yes. 14:36.14 Cpt Granarius So This is a very bad Context. So. Just um, but yeah, the add that that there you go if if you if anyone has any answers for us. Please please let us know. 14:53.32 Alex Yeah, and ah, you know we didn't really have time to talk about this because we try not to talk too much about predator since it's a whole different thing but we do want to do a special shout out to the Pridealian which is the wild looking predator Alien kind of hybrid from the avp Films. You know the we. It's the same as the other ones in terms of predator hosts Alien comes out not much else to say except it's super cool and yeah I mean there's also other Alien iterations that we're not really going to talk about in this episode because they're from the prequels and they're bad. The. Like I won't remember what they're Called. They're not called Dena Wars They're like the prededecessor aliens. 15:36.92 Cpt Granarius Okay, I've just looked looked up a photos I don't think I'd actually ever seen the predalian. 15:43.11 Alex Oh my goodness you are missing out on art. We love to say it. 15:47.75 Cpt Granarius Very classy. Which avp is that from. 15:57.50 Alex I Um cannot tell you the top my head because they're the same film. Thank you. 15:58.17 archpodnet It. It's firm. It's from the second one. 16:03.20 Cpt Granarius Ah. 16:05.38 archpodnet And it's also in the 2005 alien source predator game as well. Just like it's weird like yeah, they were kind of like orange in that game as well. It quite odd you what I did what I can. 16:13.90 Alex Thank thank! Thank! Thank you Laura master. Yeah, but I guess we should end this segment by talking about 1 of the coolest ones and arguably one of the ones that is again kind of difficult to explain scientifically that's kind of the theme here. We can't really explain any of this. They got 2 skeletons kind of. 16:23.39 archpodnet Do what I can. 16:41.89 Alex Lose us at that point but still fun to talk about and we've talked about her a little bit and it's the Alien Queen So as we previously mentioned the Xenomars follow a social structure akin to you know bees. So You have your queen as a center to the reproductive cycle of the species and the kind of. Societal element of the species and the Queen does actually look similar to her worker drones but she big fellas. She real big. Big big girl. 17:18.48 Cpt Granarius Like gas in a way like in a way possibly to signify her position above So the rest of the drones. Um on a elongated skull is a very large shield like carapus which can use to protect her head. That's it's real big. 17:31.92 Alex Yeah, and actually real quick before we finish the segment I do want to ask you? What do you think those things are made of because I looked it up and there's conflicting reports even in the canon where it's either the Exoskeleton Easy. They're like a a carapus kind of. Chinten Chiten like material or it's like silicon. Yeah, that was something that came up in I think it was one of the novelizations maybe or no, it's a line I think in the the first film like offhand they say it's like Silicon based. 17:56.80 Cpt Granarius Silicon. 18:05.40 archpodnet It? Yeah, so it's meant to be like you know how we're carbon based it's meant to be silicon based and that's how they've developed the resistant to the super acid blood and but no, there's there's no kind of consensus. Really I think. 18:09.67 Alex Yeah. 18:22.70 archpodnet Some of the caraps Kiton Kindneth talk it's like it's almost like people who don't it's almost from characters points of view who don't really know and that's what they are assuming it looks like or that's how they would describe it and but I don't necessarily think that we can take that as a. Active description. That's just what people think it looks like does that make sense. 18:46.32 Cpt Granarius And I guess and I guess really could be made from anything I mean the Keyin So the Keratin based material.. It's the closest thing we can think of in Parallels on Earth but um, even like from watching the prequels I don't think we actually know where the xenomorph. Has originally come from so it could be like the their sort of structured I could be based on anything does that make sense. 19:15.76 Alex No, because none of this makes sense to be honest and I guess that's how we end this segment by saying we don't know it got 2 skeletons folks. What do you want us to do about that 2 skeletons don't know what that means. 19:28.46 Cpt Granarius Because it's fiction. Faith. What. 19:34.90 Alex We're gonna go to the next segment after this break.