00:07.18 Alex Are. 00:08.36 S_ Granarius And we're back with part 2 of ah this episode of archeanimals where we rank our favorite animal bones. 00:14.20 Alex Except not this time because we will be ranking down our our least favorite animal bones I Really don't know what the the proper terminology or phraseology is for this but at least just the worst right. 00:29.52 S_ Granarius Is it's the the Rock Bottom The bone bottom the just did the I The the I cannot even bones. 00:37.91 Alex The yeah yeah I mean unsurprisingly I feel like we may have we may have talked a bit about these kind of bones in the past. 00:55.85 Alex Yeah. 00:55.99 S_ Granarius Ah, but but maybe once or twice don't be too hard on yourself. 01:03.89 Alex But yeah I mean you know we're both professional so this is obviously professional opinions and should be taken not with a grain of salt. But with the you know, kind of ah reverence and respects that you would you know any other kind of work of art. 01:19.99 S_ Granarius Yeah, just yet that the respect to that ourll grab a task commands. Yeah um like guess I'll make a start again? Um, ah my number 3 least favorite animal bone. 01:21.55 Alex Yeah. 01:36.17 S_ Granarius Ah, Horse teeth. So now while in general I do really like teeth because of course you know they're very easy to identify to species or to what tooth you have even if it's partial. You can normally work it out and horse teeth per say you know that they are aesthetically pleasing enough and then they're quite you. Can't miss him nothing some very cueboid in shape and just very long. So you You can't miss a horse tooth. However, say you've got a whole mandible and you want to age it. Ah it It Um, the way you. Ah, age a horse Mandible doesn't quite work the same way like ah so some of the mentibular ware stages you have for say sheep and cattle is just it's just so much faff and I just cannot even um and also course hey if you do get loose teeth I Mean of course again I'm speaking from. 02:27.78 Alex That's fair. 02:34.51 S_ Granarius Someone who's quite early careers. So course people many people probably disagree with me but just they mostly all look the same like okay you have your mandibularla you have your mexiliary. Okay at that far. 02:42.91 Alex No, you're right. 02:49.58 S_ Granarius That's fine butubs is it at a fourth premolar or a first molar I don't know just echo echoes cavallu mandibular tooth. The end. 02:56.18 Alex Ah, no, you're right? and you should say it. You're it's that thing where like again I Similarly very early career. Still. And know this is something you learn what age, but there's sometimes where I see people who are like so specific about their identifications where I'm like no, you can't do that. That's not that's not a real thing. You just did no I can't do that. Ah there I'm just not good at Dark. She. 03:27.14 S_ Granarius No I'm sorry I cannot tell you oh this is a horse fourth premola he erupted on a full moon on a Wednesday but oh what'so Wednesday spoiler and. 03:43.74 Alex It's yeah I mean I know you could do that I could do that probably with time and like little time I mean if I had one tooth and was able to spend like a month looking at it and like doing the research I could do it but there's just like I know some people who will like pick up ah a. A bone and just be like ah yes, this is the yeah you know, whatever, very specific tooth or whatever and I'm just like how no you can't you can't do that. No one can do. 04:09.43 S_ Granarius Like teach me teach me. Um, but I felt like early on I think it was one of our earliest episode I remember you mentioning something about wanting to develop like. 04:15.58 Alex But I refuse to believe that. 04:24.61 S_ Granarius Ah, a L a C fourteen vision. Yes. 04:26.24 Alex Oh yeah, gosh I would love that I still want it how we not progress that far in our archeological science and technology. 04:38.77 S_ Granarius They go get give Alex funding to DevelopC 14 vision 04:44.22 Alex That's my new postdoc. Yeah, but and but when I when I mean c 14 vision I mean I want to implant something into my eyeballs so that I can like scan it or I like I want to look like cyclops from the x-men. 04:58.46 S_ Granarius It's it's a look so what's what's your third least favorite. 05:00.36 Alex It's luck. Well, it's actually very similar because I chose Pig teeth in general all of them but specifically the molars because again I think I've definitely talked about this on the podcast before Pig teeth are just horrible to look at they're just so bad to look at I don't like lookinggging at them. Not. Bore tusks or anything those are cool but like the molars and the Pre-molllars. It's the the phrase that I always like to use is it's like you took a human tooth and put it in a microwave and let it pop like popcorn. That's what a Pig tooth looks like. 05:39.19 S_ Granarius What that that that's ah without that taking that imagery aside what I was going to say is that I thought they look like popcorn taking us I don' I don't mind them I mean like the the m. 05:45.98 Alex Yeah, it's horrible and. 05:53.58 S_ Granarius Um, him too like a bit iffy but then you get that you know sometimes in sheep as well. If you don't have a full mandible like that and I'm wander them to ah ah I mean ah but I mean third molar easy peasy. 06:08.30 Alex Yeah I mean and and I think it also just gives a lot of problems for non-eo archeologists and I don't blame them because they do kind of look like human teeth and I won't name the institution that I was doing some work At. But. This unnamed institution in their archives had a box of allegedly human bone and when I went to look through it. It was a lot of Pig teeth and again I don't blame them that they they do look like they could look human but I was just like Wow This is the worst tooth. Tricking. Everyone. 06:50.55 S_ Granarius I Don't mind them. They're okay. 06:54.69 Alex Pig apologists over here. 06:59.18 S_ Granarius They're okay then if you like want to take measurements off it to determine if it's wild bore then like that's that's a discussion for another day and for someone better prepared. 07:13.40 Alex Anyway, what's the your next one? Yeah, that's fair. 07:17.18 S_ Granarius Um, rodent bones of which you tend to get a lot off mostly very fragmented and ah. 07:26.71 Alex Yep. 07:32.46 S_ Granarius Think you know you could go bycycl. Okay, it's rats size or it's mouseized. But you know there's at least like 3 species of mouse I can think of off the top of my head all of which reside in Britain and have done so for Millennia. 07:49.68 Alex And there are people who allegedly can tell based on the bone what type of ah rodent It is like not rodent but like rat. 07:58.59 S_ Granarius Ah I mean like if it's complete you can. But again it's just just one of those things that you do need reference material of course unless you're very experienced and you go like all Yes, how wood mouse. 08:14.13 Alex No, they're they're lying I've decided. 08:14.41 S_ Granarius You know. And the same like with vol be like okay like you can tell. Okay, this looks vol like but is it a field bowl is it a bank vol. 08:26.38 Alex Anyone who can do that by eye is too powerful to exist not only in this field but on this planet That's my new hot take. 08:38.16 S_ Granarius I can tell you to the one road and bone I guess though's 1 notable exception I'll bake for is the the the love the delightful pigmy shrew because it it's sure like and it's in the name. It's very small. 08:49.58 Alex Um. 08:56.60 S_ Granarius There's really only 1 thing you can be pick me screws are okay I'll allow it. 09:01.85 Alex Hey yeah, fair enough? Yeah, okay well I'm not really going to go that specific with this because my next worst bone is all ribs and vertebra of all species and any species. 09:02.88 S_ Granarius There you go what about you. 09:18.89 Alex And I include human into that as well. 09:20.16 S_ Granarius I mean I was gonna put that down myself. But you beat me to it. It just ribs are just there to cause it nuisance. 09:29.45 Alex Listen I can I will give myself credit in that there are some species that I can at least be like oh I know what that rib is like Pig Ribs I feel like are very. Ah. Characteristic Seal ribs I Also find very easy to find everyone else I'm like I have no idea what that is and I can't ah I can't tell you where it is either I mean specifically for humans. That's like a whole other can of worms. I I think again I've probably told this on the podcast before but when I was doing my masters and I took a module in human remains and a lot. You know you you get expected to like lay out a whole Skeleton and I just would literally fall to pieces. Like the Skeleton itself when it came to trying to put the ribs and the vertebra in order. It's just no and vertebra I will omit slightly easier than ribs particularly with identifying the species. Again, A lot species particularly like you know Avian species and fish. They all look very different very particular and I could also tell you you know? is it a lumbar is it cervical. Is it a thorax ah vertebra. But after that I could not tell you the number. 10:47.54 Alex I can make it up Probably it's so it's a vertebra. It's a rib and it ends there. 10:52.60 S_ Granarius Yeah, because like the worst of them all being the cordal vertebrae that just just just just just know. Yeah. 10:56.10 Alex Oh God It's the worst. No I Just got Flashbacks So many so many excel spreadsheets or it just says cdv and then no Species. So just like I don't know I couldn't tell you it's It's a it's a Ca All oh boy is bad but even still there's you know once he gets to the end then it's just like. 11:19.25 S_ Granarius Yeah, well I could have put a but could have put like a cheeky media mammal in there. 11:28.54 S_ Granarius Ah, and yeah, no. 11:30.67 Alex It could be a very big animal with a very long tail. 11:32.53 S_ Granarius Very Tea-inducted Hashtag The Littleless tale. 11:38.60 Alex But but yeah, so they're on my watch list so watch out all ribs and vertebra. 11:47.13 S_ Granarius Yeah, like but I agree like vertebrate. Definitely a lot easier than ribs I mean you can locate them easily enough sort of on the buttebral Column sort of where they are maybe okay going into like um. 12:02.10 S_ Granarius C 3 or c four. Okay, you know that will depend but usually can you could locate them all right? You can I id like a good chunk of it to species but generally a bit belligerent. Ah ribs just no no although 12:14.52 Alex Now Bad can you inside them. 12:21.42 S_ Granarius O Thou like wonded aiming feature of ribs is that you do Well you do tend to see a lot of butchery marks. 12:26.40 Alex On the other hand that's makes it worse because and I'm like oh there's butchery I could not tell you what species is it's. 12:34.49 S_ Granarius Oh, but then you can't tub. Okay, like it's a media mamma will rear be you know he's got a chop Markg for like car like announced how they've portioned this little joint of meat and that you know like it's I like finding butchery. 12:45.46 Alex Yeah I guess. 12:48.62 S_ Granarius Especially the ones where you get some of the chop marks where they they were trying to chop something and they missed so many times so you just sound like but. 12:52.18 Alex Yeah that's to be fair that is quite fun because it's just like oh wow I existed back in the day my inability to do anything right? when it comes to cooking. It's it's just me my my like. Reincarnation back then just completely missing the mark constantly shout out. 13:17.32 S_ Granarius Yeah, so there you go. That's a reading feature ribs. Ah, and for my top least favorite of all bones are cranial fragments now skulls. 13:29.50 Alex Yes. 13:33.94 S_ Granarius Complete skulls which again very rare to come by under archeological conditions. You may have most of a skull in 1 piece me one piece at a push. That's all nice and good. They're lovely. They're aesthetically pleasing. They're easy to identify. You know. 13:47.61 Alex Ah, finished. 13:52.68 S_ Granarius That's fine. A lot of what you get a small little cranial fragments where literally all you can tell is that those are bits of a cranium of a critter of some description and it's usually not isolated. You don't get 1 or 2 cranial fragments. No, you get your hundred and fifty hole in 1 pack and it's all sharp north if he just you like I mean and because the problem because it's so fragmented like okay, it's likely it's all from the same cranium but really. 14:14.25 Alex O Fria yeah. 14:32.24 S_ Granarius You can't say that it could be 4 craniums in there for all you know, did you know I mean. 14:39.45 Alex The only thing worse than fragmented cranial bone is fragmented partially cremated cranial bones and then that's when I just start crying and just go Maybe this field isn't for me. Maybe I should become a lawyer or something because it it bad. 14:47.65 S_ Granarius Sit. 14:59.42 Alex And again, there's people I know there's people out there who are able to be like oh but this is the the the paral bone thing. Whatever and I'm just like no, it's just look like flat bone. 15:11.90 S_ Granarius Ah I thought you're gonna say the people out there that what I would do is do archaeology and then had like Cran your bow fragments or when no I'm not doing this I'm becoming a lawyer. 15:20.50 Alex I mean they probably exist too because it's just yeah I completely fall apart with cranial bone fragments and to be fair I think I think for the most part people are understandably forgiving if you're just like I can't I id this to species I could tell you it's cranial. Ah, but other than that it's just whatever but you know it gets annoying when there's so much of it and you know that like it's probably especially like there's definitely been times where I've had perennial fragments and then like a couple different. Species ah represented like mandible fragments and I'm just like it could be 1 of these could be all of these and obviously for like work that I've done. It can. It's important to kind of be specific because of you know, feederra deposits and things like that and. Everything having some kind of meaning as to you know? are they removing this part of the cranium putting it somewhere else and whatever. So yeah, it also can just be nothing. 16:18.82 S_ Granarius It can also be none of the above so you can have you can have a sheep Mandible a dog Mandible and the cranial fragments are actually from a cow. 16:32.77 Alex Cursed Curse bone hate it. 16:35.11 S_ Granarius The love you got for us. 16:38.14 Alex Well I decided to kind of you know, change it up and do something different something that no one's ever heard me talking about before something that people wouldn't really you know, expect me to say so my worst. Animal bone is fish all bones all species all the time shocking shocking Now. Of course if you want to hear my detailed thoughts about fish Bones. You could I don't know listen to the last 50 episodes of this podcast. 16:56.50 S_ Granarius Do this is Brand new information. 17:10.84 Alex Um I believe I've probably talked about it in every single episode but just a refresher they're fragile they're annoying. They're small sometimes the I think. 17:19.91 S_ Granarius Do we have a whole episode of fish we do if no no and even more annoyed when we found out it was the episode of our one year anniversary of the podcast. 17:25.00 Alex We might yeah I think we do and we're both very annoyed the whole time because we don't want to talk about it. 17:35.58 Alex Oh I forgot that's so cursed. We're so bad with knowing our anniversaries. Oh gosh. That's awful. That's horrible. But yeah I don't I don't think there's really much more I need to say about how much I hate fish. 17:40.73 S_ Granarius And just just to keep that self-loathing coat. 17:55.17 Alex Ah, they're just bad folks. They're real bad. Sorry. 17:57.39 S_ Granarius That this that you that that that they're annoying. And yeah, if you know fish and you're good a fish teach me. 18:03.39 Alex Yeah, yeah, you're just you're like a mutant you're like a superhero with very cursed skills I'm sorry is weird I'm sorry it's just weird. 18:16.68 S_ Granarius Yeah, because again is an again another one of those things where you need extensive sort of reference to work off and even then. 18:29.55 Alex Yeah, shot. 18:31.87 S_ Granarius It's It's a skill. It's like ah as a subdiscipline in its own right? within zoo archaeology. 18:36.76 Alex Yeah, anyway, shout out to the University Of Nottingham for having that amazing fishbone reference which if it wasn't for that I would not have finished my master's dissertation. But I think we can get off this kind of negativity take a break. 18:41.61 S_ Granarius Oh yes, thank you. That's that. 18:55.19 Alex And come back with our top 5 animal bones.