00:00.00 ALEX And we are back with archae animals the podcast all about archaeology we are talking about the zo archeology of Antarctica of all places as part of our final episode of our aware of the world miniseries and I mean. I guess it's the none episode. So should we do do our bit about the case studies or what. 00:22.46 S_ Granarius I Ah go on. Um I mean more than case studies because we't we won't be covering sort of archeological sites per se um I guess will be cover covering more like interesting. 00:31.42 ALEX Yeah. 00:36.99 ALEX Um, yeah, cause you know we will give I'll give us credit. We were able to do ah basically a full length episode on Antarctica which seemed impossible before we started researching and there. 00:39.18 S_ Granarius Stories surrounding animals in Antarctica. 00:56.35 ALEX Actually is a lot of interesting stuff to talk about when it comes to the Zo archeology and archaeology of the continent but you know not necessarily as much that we could fill our case. Studies. So instead I Just found some kind of fun animal stories. Say you know who doesn't love a story about cows and that's the thing I was thinking about when we were doing our our last segment I was like we didn't get any cows in did we and then I remember it Oh Wait. We have a whole case study dedicated the cows baby. 01:31.22 S_ Granarius Yeah, cause I mean um, we've been I mean I think we're keeping on sort of our series of ah, very interestingly named cattle if you. If any of you have listened to our previous episode of the minis seriesies focusing on Oceania we gave a notable mention to nickers but the well the bes a steer isn't he yeah, so yeah, the steer nickers hailing from Australia and now we have some. 01:56.82 ALEX Steer Technically yeah. 02:04.38 S_ Granarius Similarly, very interesting and interestingly named animals. Um, because again you know like ah along with sheep and pigs and dogs and cats and rabbits and a ah host of other domesticates cows were indeed also brought to Antarctica um, and the particular. Breed of cattle that we've decided to cover for one of these case studies are the guernsey cows specifically the cows that um us admiral richard e bird took to Guernsey to Guernsey to Antarctica in 34 so e e brought yeah, he brought 3 cows with him on his second expedition and they were namedlondike gay ia dearfoot guernsey maid and my personal favorite foremost southern girl. 02:58.59 ALEX It's just it's so specific that it couldn't just be Southern girl. It has to be the foremost Southern girl. 03:01.77 S_ Granarius Um, and I guess that run out your steam. Ah by the end of it because a calf was actually born during the trip and they just named it Iceberg we're is fitting. 03:16.14 ALEX Yeah, that's fun I mean it's like yeah I'm surprised. Do you think some people were like oh that's like in bad taste because Titanic was only like what 20 years previous 03:18.73 S_ Granarius But but have been Idiot could been like most esteemed iceberg. Some people were like uncle. 03:32.88 S_ Granarius Oh I pull that one. 03:36.40 ALEX I Don't know if I just thought about that now which is one person going ye shadow oh about this. 03:43.71 S_ Granarius Shh um, but yeah I mean ah guersey cows are from her. You know, have you you as the name suggests ah dairy cattle that is not not native to Antarctica and none of the cattle is native to Antarctica but. Actually native to the island of guernsey and they're known for their particularly rich milk. Ah which the were then export in the United States around the none century. So these cows were brought over um for a year. So as part of the working dairy. And also us kind of a novelty media stunt for the us to stake its claim on the continent again going on as with this discuss before that ah several nations tried to sort of like attempted at different points in time to sort of stake their claim of Antarctica. Um. Ah, you see sort of France Norway the United Kingdom um again like some of many countries that were trying to sort of like carve a piece of Antarctica for themselves. Ah, but the huge doctrine stated that claims had to be made via settlement as opposed to discovery. So of course having domesticated animals on the land would aid in such a claim. Ah course aside from the geopolitical use. Another claim was that the cows were vital for solving the milk problem of the expedition check just the yes and no because powdered milk was available. At that point. Um, but there you go um again also like part of it so there was a a media element to it. Ah as so in the 1930 s sort of fresh milk and the daring sectors were sort of turned into icons sort of americana. You know. 05:33.65 ALEX Purity health and nationalism I need to emphasize this as the american on this podcast because honestly even talking to my partner. He's always just like what's this deal with milk in America like big dairy is a real thing and like. And such a chokehold, especially like even for me, growing up in the 90 s dairy like milk being pushed as a very important vital thing. You know we had the got milk campaign and things like that and I mean me and my partner have been watching. Youtube videos of like old american commercials or adverts as you say here and almost like 70% of them are milk and dairy based. 06:17.98 S_ Granarius Okay I had no idea. 06:20.49 ALEX Yeah, it's it's something that I don't think if you're not from America I don't think you know and I think even if you're from America you may just think that's normal but like watching all this stuff with my partner and he's just like I don't get it like why is there so many like commercial because you know we watched a lot of like 90 s Commercials so it's stuff like you know drink milk every day that gives you strong bones or like the best cheese ever made or things like that and it's like yeah, there's there was just like they would lobby so much that you would just have so many adverts about milk just literally just milk and dairy. Think it's very strange. 06:59.96 S_ Granarius There's interestings where I'm from Well I've not lived in a country of origin for quite some time now. But I remember most of the ad thats being cars and all medication cars are medication, medication and cars. Um. 07:09.43 ALEX Well, yeah, that too. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's something it is I mean you know we we don't have the the capacity to really get into it but it is kind of problematic and that it is definitely based on this idea of purity and Health and American nationalism and. You know, especially in the thirty s this was a big thing so it makes sense that this was a huge stunt as part of their kind of geopolitical chess game that they were playing with other countries by bringing these cows and being like oh look, you know it's the Cow American this is. There's nothing more American than an. 07:35.82 S_ Granarius Um, and. 07:45.68 ALEX Ah, exported cow or an imported cow from guernsey yeah, but I just wanted to emphasize that because I don't think people realize how big of a thing this is in America and kind of like I don't know if it still is obviously I also haven't lived in America enough. 07:46.83 S_ Granarius Good car cat cow and on the frost cup. 08:03.75 ALEX A fair amount of time almost a decade now. But I mean like I said even in the 90 s which I'd like to maintain were not that long ago you still soar I mean and I'm lactose intolerant. So I really felt kind of put out by this. But I mean massive posters like the of the got milk. 08:10.28 S_ Granarius Ah. 08:22.12 S_ Granarius Just going like you mock me. So I think I've heard of it in English class you got sort of briefly referred to but just something about just. 08:22.73 ALEX Campaign That's very popular in schools. 08:29.93 ALEX And got milk. Do you know what? that was. 08:38.23 ALEX It's basically I. 08:41.56 S_ Granarius Drink milk is very good for you. Drink milk have you drunk any milk yet drink some milk now drink milk. 08:44.11 ALEX Yeah, it was I don't know if it was anywhere else if it was in the Uk or anything but in America it was just like they would get celebrities to basically like pretend to drink a thing of milk and they would have like a milk mustache and so like my main memory was in our gym. In my elementary school There's a big picture of Michael Jordan with a glass of big glass of milk and a milk mustache and says got milk and that was kind of the thing but they were just like postered everywhere in the 90 s again, extremely lactose intolerant cannot drink milk. So. Just felt rude. 09:20.53 archpodnet And according actually according to http://dairyfoods.com in 2010 u k launched its own version of got milk. Yeah I don't think I don't think we had it but like. 09:22.12 S_ Granarius That's why that that just. 09:30.12 ALEX None that's so long. 09:38.16 archpodnet I know about they've got milk from from America I think and wait I think I might have a David Beck and one two seconds 09:40.90 ALEX Yeah, that would make sense. 09:49.70 ALEX I mean David Beckham was famous in America too. Allegedly. 09:52.75 archpodnet Yeah, and I've I've just linked it there when you're when your actual reaction of this Finny Jones oh god 10:04.24 ALEX Oh my gosh. That's brilliant. 10:07.98 S_ Granarius I Like I know so thanks for putting this in perspective because um I knew of the got milk campaign ad but um, didn't realize it was that that big a deal. 10:16.96 ALEX Nose Wild is extremely wild and it's extremely funny to see it take place in something that you know very early on and but again you can see with that context how it really would have been kind of a power move and you know. And that's the other thing about these cows they were good media. The bird expeditions were all privately funded so having a stunt like this got sponsors really good coverage and the cows were actually seen as celebrities of the time. So You know it's not really zoo archaeology but it's a case studying animal kind of symbolism. And let's be really could probably find remains of the dairy somewhere. Maybe but you know it. It's that thing we always talk about if you know it's not just about the bones is about the way you see the animals and you. 11:06.40 S_ Granarius But as speaking of the way to see the animals I Want to see a poster of foremost Southern girl. 11:13.23 ALEX This is true. Yes, anyone wants to yeah I mean there are some pictures I Just can't figure out which one is formost Southern girl now if anyone out there wants to draw a foremost Southern girl maybe with a and got milk poster type thing. 11:15.69 S_ Granarius I Mean surely there must have been promotional material. 11:32.94 ALEX Ah, you know, send it to us on Twitter and we love to see a fan art of our our podcasts which I think. 11:37.84 S_ Granarius And and could it be could it be an episode of our you know cartoon series that never happened of like general superopulous gramaios Andliny the elder that travel through time so they could recover the generals like human body back. 11:54.17 ALEX Oh my gosh. 11:56.30 S_ Granarius And so like in where their prime jumps they're in Antarctica and like foremost southern girl helps them back onto like the time traveling ship. 12:04.51 ALEX I mean if producers are out there listening to this you know, get in touch. We this is a gold mind and we could have an you know big dairy in America can sponsor us clearly. I'll I'll I'll drink some milk and get violently ill afterwards for that who cares. 12:32.39 ALEX Anyway, let's ah, hit up our last case study before we finish this episode and we're moving away from cows to an animal that you haven't really talked about and let's talk about the hampster experiments. So during the 1960 s of course. Karl Hamner from Ucla and Giri Raj Singh Serohi who was the actually the none citizen from India to visit Antarctica They ran experiments on the continent to see if certain species got their dinural senses from their rotation of the earth. Ah, diural nernal senses are basically the kind of biological clocks of organisms which account for activity during the day and sleeping during the night so for this experiment the votation of the earth was modified through the use of turntables. So. The research team brought along several species as part of their experiments bean plants cockroaches, fruit flies, cockleberr plants bread mold fungi as well as nineteen hamsters. So the actual results of the experiment were negligible. You know. They were whatever but the hamsters were eventually kept on as pets afterwards and they actually had several litters of babies being born and they technically count as the first recorded burst of any species on the continent. Although I guess realistically. Have to end on a bit of a bummer because most of the young died or even more horrifically were eaten by the parents which I learned in writing this episode is a issue among many hamster breeds. So glad I did not keep hamsters as a child. That would be horrifying hoof hoof. 14:21.39 S_ Granarius Now think of brats do that as well. What do we? fair pigs do that like sometimes if they been for a reason or another they decide that they're young cannot reach adulthood or they're not fit enough. They just something just. 14:38.92 ALEX Yeah I think my mom used to feel like that about me. So I guess it's understandable. Um, yeah, much to her chagrin but it's not all sadness because 3 did survive until midwinter. So. 14:38.96 S_ Granarius Snaps and they just kill them all. 14:43.98 S_ Granarius But but your hair now. 14:54.98 S_ Granarius Last great. 14:57.11 ALEX You know? Yeah I mean in in retrospect, it's a bigger and better run than many of the other animals. We've talked about today but the remains of the others are likely somewhere on the continent ready to extremely confuse some future zoo archaeologists and really i. Shout out to them. There is a lot going on this continent I hope they figure out what big dairy was otherwise it's not going to make sense. Ah but godspeed to those people. 15:28.33 S_ Granarius Yes. 15:28.61 archpodnet And do you think the turntables are still there like I'm just trying to think about like all these animals and plants on a lazy Susan in Antarctica spinning around like like was it fast or slow like because i. Ah, slow does it have to be to like match the rotation the earth because it can't be theing really fast. So it must be like a lazy season. You know like ah like a slowly like a rotating cakestand you know. 15:47.31 ALEX Yeah,, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, maybe they use. That's a cakest stand now who knows I don't know it seems like anything goes in antarcttic of including any species even if there's a trigoty in place. But. Yeah, um, so we did it We. We made it through the world Smona any last thoughts and remarks about our our wild trip through all of the continents. 16:26.10 S_ Granarius Oh no. 16:29.60 ALEX You tired you tired from this trip that we've taken. 16:32.10 S_ Granarius Just tired of all the death talked about. 16:36.42 ALEX Yeah I mean kind of a bummer episode to end on I mean we had to talk about Antarctica I thought would be a funny way to end the series. But I mean it's tough. It's tough to live in Antarctica. It's tough for humans even today and. I don't understand why anyone does it. But I guess it's good that they do it cause we learn a lot It's for science and all that I mean it's like I also don't understand why I will we want to be an astronaut just I love I love comfort. Oh that seems too much. 16:56.61 S_ Granarius Just science. 17:11.00 S_ Granarius Know I mean I would love to do a zo are killage of the xenomorph. 17:12.72 ALEX I Guess maybe do we have to do with the archeology of space soon. 17:21.80 ALEX I mean home among us what it I will will have to we'll have to talk later about that because I also kind of want to do one on the Xenoorph Ah, but that is neither here nor there because it's in space and I think we should just yes and and fictional. 17:29.90 S_ Granarius Yeah. 17:35.92 S_ Granarius Um, I should know. 17:41.80 ALEX So we'll hold that thought and if if people really want to hear that let us know because you can contact us at aeoanimals on Twitter we are also obviously on any kind of podcast platform wherever you get your podcasts tell your friends about us. Subscribe to us or follow us I figure out what the terminology is these days leave us a review. That's great. Otherwise you can just send the link around we are obviously at um archeology podcasts ah network dot com. And yeah. Obviously we're happy to hear about what you want us to talk about for our next episode we will be belatedly celebrating our None episode. So for those of you who have stuck around since one none of all shout to my mom I assume she's the only one who has and 2 thanks a lot. This is you know we've been doing this for of weirdly long time actually because I think we're at what almost five four years now yeah yeah so we've been doing this a while and. 18:43.37 S_ Granarius Over 4 years I think it was 4 years we started may 2018 18:54.25 ALEX Now finally hit 50 episodes. We may be slow but we are full of value. We get there slow and steady wins the whatever podcast race I don't know. Ah this has been Alex Patrick we will see you next up. 18:55.31 S_ Granarius We get that. 19:09.23 S_ Granarius Aunt bonafalanga. 19:13.83 ALEX Ah, so otherwise we well I don't know whatever happy 50 by.